Thursday, November 24, 2011

Who's a carebear?

I'm a carebear? I get accused of it. Not quite sure why. I suppose when it comes to EVE specifically, I have a different definition of carebear than other people. Hell, I think I have the better definition.

On the face of it, the way I've been playing up until now, you might mistake me as a carebear. I kinda suck at PvP. I mission. I incursion. I haul and do industry. I pretty much mind my own business and do my own thing in the game. If that is someone's definition of carebear, then it is far too broad. That could apply to a majority of the people playing EVE Online.

I see carebears as dangerous entities to this game. Thus, I get a tad more specific in my definition.

To me a carebear is ultra-risk averse. A carebear will rarely, usually only under duress, leave highsec. A carebear may engage in activities similar to mine, the difference is that the carebear feels entitled to do those things and to never be bothered while doing them. A carebear loses a ship in highsec to a gank or a wardec, the fault does not lie with the carebear for being inattentive or naive. No, it's the fault of low-life psychotics, which the game should be actively trying to curb. A carebear loses ISK in a scam? Not the carebear's fault, the game should protect people from the unscrupulous. A carebear's bottom line is affected in any way, they are bitching to anyone who will listen that the game needs to change, that their choice of playstyle needs to be accommodated. The game mechanics should allow them the choice to engage in conflict at their whim, not at someone else's whim. When a carebear seeks out conflict, it's because of a desire to achieve a perfectly reasoned goal. When a carebear is forced into conflict, it's due to purposeless unmotivated aggression from players with anti-social disorders.

That's not me at all.

I love risk. It is why I play this game. It reminds me of the glory days of Ultima Online (the first two years), when it was the only wild-west anything-goes environment available. They tried to create a sandbox. It had an economy. It was dangerous -- you died in UO, you got looted and lost all your stuff, "Ooo ooo oooooooooooo!" Those days of UO are long gone. We have EVE as our replacement. A better replacement. Ultima Online was the pinnacle of MMO play until CCP developed their little flying in space game.

So yeah, I go about my business in game. People might mistake me as a carebear. Except. I'm well aware that anyone at anytime could come along and try to ruin my day. And I accept that. Happily. I've lost ships. I've lost billions in ISK. I would never complain about losing stuff. It sucks when it happens, but afterwards it is really why I love this game.

I'm fucking passionate about this game. EVE is conflict. I don't want that conflict to ever go away. It needs to permeate every iota, every segment, every nook and cranny of this game. And I will fucking scream and shout and point fingers at anyone who says it should be otherwise. Carebears ruined Ultima Online with their incessant whining and screaming and demands to curb non-consensual conflict. I do not want to see that happen to EVE Online. It's the only sandbox on the block. Where the fuck am I going to play if the carebears take this sandbox too?

8 comments:

  1. Well said!

    The distinction between doing pve, and feeling entitled to it is one that has blurred terribly. I've called myself and considered myself a carebear throughout my playing. Why? Because I'm not in some low sec pirate, or null sec blob corp! I spend the vast majority of my time fiddling in hi sec. So 'society' tells me I'm a carebear.

    And yet I'm not risk adverse. Over the years I've quite happily jumped in a rifter from time to time and skulked through some low sec systems looking for a kill. Even managed to get one or two. And it was a lot of fun, even those times when I became the prey!

    So why haven't I shrugged off the yoke of Carebear and headed out to Low sec more permanently? Simple... time, inclincation. If I were to join such a corp I would want to 'pull my own weight', by which I would feel obligated to be online near everyday, studying the spreadsheets to ensure my fits were 'optimal'. That is something I don't want to commit to right now (and I'm sure there's some corps who claim to be easy going and don't demand that, but I'd still feel like I should anyway). I'm quite happy fiddling in my own way, pvp'ing when I feel so inclined, pve'ing when so inclined, and spending most of my time in hi sec.

    I'm not sure what this makes me, but I don't think it's a carebear.

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  2. I LOVE your definition of carebear!

    I have lost several billion isk through ship losses and other scams... but I took them all in my stride, expecting no less of the sandbox that is EVE.... however I've never been one to PvP.

    So what should we call ourselves? :)

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  3. Hmm - Usually I consider myself a carebear, because I am no good at ship PvP, I have fun doing reaction PvP, and I find the whole Kill-The-Noobs/Extract-Tears mindset rather childish.

    But at the same time, I play EVE because there is risk. I may complain about details like individual losses (it's rather kathartic!), or that the cards are stacked in favor of the PvPers - but at the same time I do like the EvE playstyle in general.

    I think we need an new term for people who are almost-carebears-but-not-really.

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  4. Well in my head, there are carebears, and full time pvpers, and some hybrids.
    You in most mindsets would be considered a carebear, and so would i, thats not the problem though.
    It doesnt matter if you care if you lose or not, i have lost over 11 billion isk on just this char, I dont care.
    Carebear = PVE in any form
    Fag Bear = Incursion or mission runner who is entitled to live freely without harm or risk and complain that they should have more stuff fixed for themselves.
    PVPer = Time in game is spent primarily PVPing.

    The Fag Bear is what is ruining the game right now, CCP listened to them (bad idea) and gave them incursions which trumps all but sanctum income in nullsec. Sanctums and wormholes are the only static income pve source that outdo incursions, and whs can be random.

    Fag Bears should not be able to make more in an hour in a 1.5 billion mach in highsec, than i should be able to with a 3 billion tengu in nullsec.

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  5. @Poetic: Well said. I think a lot of people mistake people who aren't risk averse and just sort of hang out in highsec or empire space in general for carebears.

    The truth really, is as you put it: Those people who won't for any reason take any risk ever and will cry bitch and moan about having anyone attack them for any reason. I'm a huge fan of causing these types of people problems, usually resulting in making them rage at me.

    @Durr: don't-care-bears? ;) I'm kind of the same way, I don't hang out in highsec exclusively, and will head out to lowsec or wormhole space if i need to, but I stick to Empire 90 percent of the time and just sort of mind my own business.

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  6. Turned up your post while searching the web, so here's comment over a year later:

    Carebears are the bogey monsters of EVE, hiding nearly everywhere -- high sec, null sec, wormholes -- under the bed and in the closet of nearly every good and violent EVE boy & girl, disturbing their righteous blood-thirsty, pod-popping slumbers.

    Truth is Carebears really don't exist in EVE, not as they are understood by those who fear them.

    Sure there are plenty who whine and spout crazy, angry irresponsible things when they have been just ganked or scammed.

    But that's hardly different than PvPers endlessly whining and crying out for "balance" when all that's happened is they just got pwnd.

    In both cases, noise not to be taken seriously as the rational sentiments of even the very same folk in calmer, less immediately aggrieved moments.

    In both cases, creatively cursing the "unfair" sob who just nailed you is a large part of the fun of a dangerous PvP world, every bit as much as gloating about one's "superior skills" when having the good fortune to be in right place at the right time is a huge component of most triumphs.

    So best that everyone grow up a bit, put childish fears aside, and face the fact that EVE's single shard "PvP" universe is easily big enough for both PvE and PvP play styles, provided we don't get too agitated despising each others' mere existence.

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