But, man, the drama is so juicy. So return to it I shall.
The neutrality issue is still a popular topic. As are the fitting choices for the lead admiral of the project.
The new hot button topic of discussion, though, concerns who gets to go to the nullsec camp. The lead admiral for the project lays it all out.
Note to everyone anticipating a try at the Null Sec Camp:Talk about sucking all the fun out of a project that Darian has put a shit tonne of time into setting up. Does bequeathing the Admiral title upon Unistas instantly turn them into assholes? Gibson used to be the cool, easy-going dude in the University, kinda everybody's grandpa. The kinda guy that would listen and not judge. The guy you could trust to not have a chip on his shoulder.
The attendance at the Null Security Camp (NSC) Eve University Event will be by individual permission to applicants from either Director of Human Resources Darian Reymont or Director of Special Operations Vice Admiral Gibson Thunderbird.
As this is NOT a '101' level opportunity, a minimum of Sophomore status is required as is an understanding of null sec risks and rewards. The Directors have additional considerations that will be discussed with individual applicants at the appropriate time.
It may be premature to move anything close to the suspected NSC at this time, as the logistics of that move have not been made public, and there are a number of opportunities.
Also, travel through Sov Null (required to get to the NSC) has NOT been granted, so visiting the camp without permission is a violation of University rules. Recent University rules violations are a basis for denial of attendance at the NSC event. I am at the NSC and around the local area and will notice any Unistas there.
Expect more and detailed information to follow. The University Staff have completed their analysis and set the foundation, and are in the process of achieving the remaining infrastructure requirements just now.
We have a great learning opportunity here not only for the student population but also for the University itself. This is the manifestation of our efforts at continuous improvement and adaptation.
Please have a bit more patience and all will become crystal clear.
Uneasy lies the head that wears a crown?
Someone gives Gibson some fitting advice and he goes pouty and passive-aggressive on them:
Ya know, I don't really care. As I am unsure what I have done to get your attention or your ire, I just gotta believe that hater's gonna hate.Admirals don't make mistakes, apparently. Or at least, it should never be pointed out that they do. It's like Silentbrick all over again.
I don't need to explain myself to anyone, and I have never done anything in the Uni that I would be ashamed to have in print.
Eventually Darian, in his good wisdom and diplomacy, steps in to correct the Admiral on a few points:
At present, the only requirement for taking part in the NSC is that you are a sophomore (4 weeks in the uni).So, less bureaucracy. More fun. You can always count on Darian to cut through the red tape, to beat back the pencil pushers.
There will be no interviews, no long selection process, no restrictions on skillpoints, pilot experience or ship/fitting requirements. You can have under a million SP and have never PvP'd before and you can still come out to the camp, providing you are a sophomore.
One last note. Seems the University is a recruitment channel for Test Alliance. One of the small accommodations that the University is making to Test, for their hospitality, is to push Test as the logical destination for unistas wishing to make nullsec their home, should they enjoy their nullsec experience. No mention of other viable nullsec organizations are to be made explicit.
I'm still quite critical of the University getting all cozy with Test Alliance. There's lots of NPC nullsec they could have set-up in, without getting too comfortable with any of the major sovereignty players.
- If those students who participate in the NSC get their taste and say "yum!" then they are encouraged to complete their experience by joining TEST or (insert any other nullsec alliance here).
- Yeah, some students probably will like it and join TEST (or whoever) ...
With arguments and personalities ready to boil over, not too mention the usual University bureaucratic delays, I think I'm going to be surprised if they get the camp running by May. Not at all surprised if it became a non-starter entirely.
Since Darian wants this and seems convinced it can work, then I'll root for him to succeed. I like Darian. He has a tough road ahead. I hope it doesn't take too much out of him.
I will be surprised if this doesn't turn out into a "buy an industrial lease in null sec" scam. "Nullsec needs more X. We'll escort you to your new home!" of course no mention of the massive gate camp "welcoming committee" until several billions worth of assets are committed and trapped.
ReplyDeleteI don't think Test is setting up E-Uni for a mega-trap. Although, that would be hilarious.
ReplyDeletethey have fucked over super cap builders in the past so, i would not put it past them
ReplyDeleteThey have fucked over super cap builders in the past for less so, I would not put it past them.
ReplyDeleteJust to clarify, we won't be "pushing" TEST as a destination. They're already our largest nullsec recruiter and it's in our best interests to keep them working for that, as it provides the students with more guest lectures and events etc.
ReplyDeleteTry not to judge Gibson too harshly. He has been with me since the beginning in trying to ensure that we don't bog the project down with rules and requirements, it seems he simply made the mistake of being overly officious when he posted his project update. I removed the posts attacking him entirely, because they simply weren't very nice (they certainly offered no advice and it was hardly the right place for it anyway). Without them present his reaction seems overboard, but I would say it was actually quite restrained.
Anyway, work to do and all that.
Rank and file honestly doesn't give a shit about EVE Uni, except for Durr, he seems to enjoy trolling on the EU forums.
ReplyDeleteNo tarps here, we are actually encouraging/hoping as many people come out and try nullsec as possible. Whether you believe it or not, Test on the inside is a great organization to belong to. Both parties stand to profit in a variety of ways with this opportunity; E-Uni should be embracing this fully, rather than drowning in their bureaucracy.
ReplyDeleteTest Alliance best alliance
ReplyDeleteDurrHurrDurr is trolling E-Uni pretty hard at this point; he's got enough paracletes to ensure plenty of E-Uni drama, as they fail to understand why TEST find shooting them funny.
ReplyDelete"Overview glitch"
"I had my shooting blues overview on, I just shot the first guy"
"I swear they all just got in the way of my missiles"
That flycatcher! Whut?
ReplyDeleteI don't necessarily disagree with most of your position, but I would like to offer some constructive criticism from someone who does argument and logic for a living:
ReplyDeleteYou do realize that you quote-mined Turhan Bey when you said,
"Seems the University is a recruitment channel for Test Alliance. One of the small accommodations that the University is making to Test, for their hospitality, is to push Test as the logical destination for unistas wishing to make nullsec their home, should they enjoy their nullsec experience. No mention of other viable nullsec organizations are to be made explicit."
Here's the full quote of what Turhan said:
"EVE University is not attempting to give its students 100% of "the nullsec experience". There is no way to do that without compromising our neutrality, which (I hope) we will never do. Encouraging students to join an actual nullsec organization will perform that task much more effectively and with far less risk to IVY than attempting to do it all ourselves. The point of the NSC seems to be the expansion of the level of experience we can provide to students. It is not to become a nullsec entity ourselves and give them complete exposure. If those students who participate in the NSC get their taste and say "yum!" then they are encouraged to complete their experience by joining TEST or (insert any other nullsec alliance here)."
TEST is the one offering the service, so mentioning them is perfectly normal. I suppose one could make an argument that if Red or Goons or (insert any other nullsec alliance here) had made the same offer that they wouldn't be mentioned casually either, but that doesn't seem wise. (see what I did there?)
Alternately, one could argue that because TEST is offering a service that suddenly all mention of TEST should be removed from conversation, especially conversation explicitly about that service, but that just doesn't seem like a very effective tack either.
And you're making two outright mistakes:
1. Claiming that Turhan has any major say in the matter. He's a hangar manager. He has precisely the amount of say that one would consider a hangar manager to have in a large organization that has it's own diplomatic corps. Claiming that "The University's Position" is equivalent to Turhan's position is not really going to get you anything other than "LOLWUT?" because it's not a reasonable inference to make. If Darian had said that, sure. But you can't reasonably make that claim for guy who teaches some classes and monitors the cargo hangar in Aldrat. That you put his quote behind a link just makes your case seem worse, not better, regardless of the intent behind it.
2. That 'neutrality' in the UNI's case means anything other than "We offer opportunity to all, and graciously accept from all." If you're using any other definition, the UNI gets to thumb their collective noses at you and claim correctly that you have no idea what you're talking about. You're confusing 'inaction' with 'disinterest'.
Look, this is EVE, people are going to disagree. But let's do it right. Miss-quoting a hangar manager and granting him unwarranted authority just to 'make a point' and constant equivocation on the term 'neutrality' comes across as muckraking, regardless as to whether you mean it to or not.
The way to conduct an argument is to take your opponents best position and argue from there. If you go with anything less, the people you disagree with get to correctly claim that you didn't address their argument, you addressed your watered down version.
Jesus Christ, what did I just read. This ain't no drama, WHO THE FUCK CARES.
ReplyDeleteFucking pubbies.
lol I think the "drama" is pretty much the "fun" of sov nullsec, period. It's kind of like those people who plop down for a marathon of Jersey Shore (just substitute The Mittani for The Situation, and Riverini for Snooki), then try to go act it out in their daily lives.
ReplyDeleteAt least that's how it seems from "a grunt's view looking up"...the "leadership cabals" seem to live and thrive off drama. :-)
Yeah not saying the drama makes nullsec less fun. Saying thay Gibson's bureaucratic nonsense makes nullsec less fun.
ReplyDeleteThat is the university for you. If they can put their students through hoops they will. Rules upon rules.
Thankfully Darian stepped in.
Actually it's self-proclaimed drama-llamas like you who make alliances shit, PS.
ReplyDeleteCorrect me if I'm wrong, but some TEST punk with plenty of failfit lossmails of his own came onto EVEUni forums and shit on a EVEUni director's Gila fit because OMG sensor boosters and scan res rigs (because heaven forbid we have a fast-locking ship with tackle and a semblance of tank in a low-sec gang, amirite.)
Then some obsessive little bitch who can't just wish his past corps well and move on with his EVE career gets all butthurt and shits on that director on his blog, presumably to whore attention (which works to some extent.)
I've never heard of 'Gibs' before this but I agree with Darian (who I've also never heard of) that his reaction showed a great deal of restraint. For you of all people to call someone else pouty and passive-aggressive is the height of hypocrisy.
Who are you? Are you that guy that trolls everyone on Twitter? https://twitter.com/#!/jonottawa
DeleteIt didn't HAVE a tank other than a DCU.
DeleteThe cruiser in the game which gets one of the largest bonuses to shields had not a single module attached to it to work with the bonus. There's nothing about a Gila that makes it fill the "low sec gate tackle" role, in any way. That fit would die to gate guns in very short order. He may as well have used a Moa.
If he wanted to fill that role, he would put a massive buffer and point/web. He would then get the lock-time with remote sensor boosters.
If he actually wanted to do it well, he would use an Onyx, especially when Dudreda sees most traffic through a constellation gate, which you need the WDG's range to camp.
You're terrible and should stop commenting on things you do not understand.
The ONLY reason Gibson was flying a Gila was to impress the newbies. "OMG! Our Admiral is in a Gila! You must be really good! And rich! What fit are you using?"
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