I was wrong. (No surprise there, I suppose.)
The fit is simply that bad. Mister SERGK K is more than willing to fit Navy Issue Megathrons just as poorly.
I'm willing to believe and think that some people will shitfit a Tornado for the lols and the attention. But doing so to a 400M ISK hull? That's stretching credulity a tad.
I'm no expert at fitting, likely not very good at it oft times, but I know I've the wherewithal not to put something together quite as bad as SERGK's Tornado or Megathron. Fit for the bonuses. Don't mix ranges on your weaponry. Two cardinal rules that seem all too obvious to me. Even as a one-day old newbie, I could not see myself fitting a ship that horribly. And thus, it was hard to fathom that anyone else could not see the fail in those fits as well.
Incompetence is rampant in EVE Online. This has been pointed out to me. Several times.
Shit Fit
Bad Fit
Horrible Fit
WTF Fit
And that's just a drop in the bucket.
But it got me to thinking. Wouldn't it make for a better EVE Online, for everyone, if people fit their ships better? Next time you destroy a horri-fit, maybe spend 10 minutes and throw your victim an evemail, giving them two or three pointers on how to better fit their ships. The evemail might be nothing more than a pointer about fitting same weapon same ammo, and reading their ship bonuses. That guy ends up improving his fit, you might get a bit better of a fight next time and that "gf" in local will have a little more meaning behind it.
The Mining Rokh you have there on Bad fit isn't terrible. Could be better for a mining ROkh, but it really is the best non-mining barge miner in the game.
ReplyDeleteTrue that Rokh's are the best non-mining-specific ships, especially if you want to avoid getting ganked. But, that mining Rokh could have been fit far better.
DeleteAlso, a mining rokh should not be in lowsec.
DeleteBut the same applies to blogs - you linked four 'bad' fits without the slightest hint as to what might be wrong with them, not even a one-liner. A rookie reading this post as one of his first EVE blogs ever would not be able to learn much.
ReplyDeleteFair point. I'll add a couple points to each link when I get home after work.
DeleteWhere do you start with some of those fits? 'Welp, at least you put a point on that maelstrom, well done.'
Delete@Andrea: The mining rokh is horribly fit. Miner II needs 90 GJ to activate, that guy was practically neuting himself. On a Rokh use Cu-Vapor Miner, it's just 49 vs 60 m3 yield and you can operate your shields. Also, Cu-Vapor needs 57 vs 80 TF CPU, so he could fit more MLUs or rather cargohold expanders so he could fit shield rigs and ... live. He fitted 2 adaptive invu and one empty med slot (probably out of CPU) instead of EMP, Thermic, invu. So in short, it's an idiot fit.
ReplyDeleteThe above assumed he had armed escort. He was in lowsec. If you are in lowsec in an unescorted industrial, you are dead regardless of fit, a sole rifter can kill you, even if it takes him an hour.
@Poetic: if you send a mail someone you ganked in a stupid fit, he'll answer: "STFU fkn faggot u killed me u nolifer suck dikk itz justa game lol u nerd"
You can only help those who asked for your help. Like by seeking out your blog.
There will be the "imma rape you and your entire family faggot" victims out there, but at least you can say you tried. There are far more reasonable, non-psychotic people on the other end of your guns though.
DeleteI'd agree with PS as well on this. My old corp used to recruit by blowing up noobs in losec, then offering to help them learn to survive next time.
DeleteI used to mix railguns and hybrids on my thorax, so I can explain the mind set to you just fine.
ReplyDelete"Man, the short range on blasters really sucks, getting kited is really annoying. *ponders* O MY GOD I HAVE THE SOLUTION. IF I FIT A RAILGUN I CAN DO DAMAGE AT RANGE TOO. I AM A GENIUS.
And with this tracking disruptor and overdrive injector I can SPEEDTANK EVERYTHING! HELL YEAH! And with Inertia Stabilizers I can WARP FASTER, SO GATECAMPS WON'T CATCH ME! WOOT!
Unfortunately there is not enough CPU left for a decent tank so BRING ON THE CIVILIAN SHIELD BOOSTERS. Everyone will look at the kills I make with this and think: woah, got a kill despite having only a civilian shield booster fitted. He must be good at EVE!
EHP is still kinda shitty though. If I downgrade 2 of the heavy ions to light electrons I could fit some armor tank in the last low slots. I will do that. AND THE LIGHT ELECTRONS MEAN I CAN KILL FRIGATES EVEN EASIER, OMG!
THIS IS THE MOST AMAZING FIT EVER SEEN BY MAN!
I used to take the time to try and correct people with their fits....then I realised as a pilot who flies mostly solo I'm just making my game harder than it already is!
ReplyDeleteThey can learn the hard way ^^
^^ This.
DeleteAnd speaking in my role as Moron and Terrible PvPer: I need to cruise Adirain more often, apparently, and look for a serge in local. Wonder if that's the opposite of a spike in local. ;-)
And looking way back over my shitfits when I was a total hisec carebear n00blet, yeah, anonymous(0940) pretty much nailed it right on the head.
After all, "EVE is Real and Real Life ships don't JUST mount one type of weapon -- battleships have their big guns, but they have smaller guns, and even machine guns and stuff for point defense so I should do the same on MAI battleship as well!"
I don't always fit my ships, but when I do I fit ALL THE THINGS! ;-)
ReplyDeleteA long time ago, in a wormhole far far away, on a long dead killboard, we posted this:
ReplyDeletehttp://www.suddenbuggery.com/killboard/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=1105
Now you may think we would troll him to death, but we actually tried to give him advice. He wouldn't listen and thought we were trying to trick him into "only" tanking shield.
The same approximate story repeats itself several times.
My point?
I think if you've been playing the game longer than a week and you don't see the issue with your fit then you're not the type to accept advice / get help and you'll never change.
They are essentially "bad players" in the context of Eve, and will likely never get better. I often look up some of our failfit champions and they never stop doing the same retarded shit. Most also quit.
If there is truly Darwinism in eve, then these guys are the sheep born with one leg and 19 eyes and culled at birth.
"They are essentially "bad players" in the context of Eve, and will likely never get better. I often look up some of our failfit champions and they never stop doing the same retarded shit. Most also quit."
DeleteOthers move to Arnon, the famed system where the newb player expurrience tells you to go, purchase a fleet of shit-fit Gilas ostensibly funded by PLEX, and spooge up local about what a "great PvPer" and all he is, despite having perhaps the most "fail" record of anyone in EVE...while aping a name from philosophy's past, yet, unlike his namesake, refusing to drink the hemlock tea. :-/
Arnon and Adirain aren't but a couple jumps from each other, perhaps I should see how much KB-padding I can manage. lol
Khanhrr pretty much hit the nail on the head. In my EVE career, I've actually made it a point to help people get better, but the issue a lot of bads just refuse to get better. They take your pointers as unsolicited advice and insist on doing things their way, because EVE is a sandbox and they can do whatever they want.
DeleteI think a lot of the issue is within smaller new player corps, the leadership is generally people who don't have much more clue than the general membership. I can't count how many times i've sat on comms and listened to alliance and corp CEOs wow their membership by telling them stories of things their old nullsec alliances did that they never directly took part in, giving out opinions and experiences that are obviously someone elses. Its this ridiculous ego and chestbeating fest where whenever you try to help people with fits, the older and self-proclaimed "senior" members take offense and see it as you trying to one-up them or some EFT-warrioring nerd with no practical PVP experience doesn't understand how he could ever be wrong.
This person would make shitfits no matter how much you tried to help her: http://imgur.com/gallery/2xQF5
DeleteHelping to improve fits is a good thing, as long as it doesn't turn into the EVE equivalent of "cookie cutter specs", where every ship of type X is fit the same way. Cookie-cutter is very un-sandbox-y.
ReplyDeleteYou're being pointlessly contrarian, ALL ships have bonuses and are therefore intended by CCP to be fit a certain way, often there is little room for manoeuvre, some ships can free up a slot or two for 'creative' fittings but generally cookie-cutter fits have evolved as the best way to maximise a particular ships capabilities in combat.
DeleteIt is not contrarian to suggest that cookie-cutters min/max the life out of what is supposed to be fun. I deal with spreadsheets at work - doing them as a prerequisite for something that is supposed to be recreational seems ludicrous. As long as some the basic major boxes are checked (things like matched weapons and ammunition, fit to maximize ship bonuses, which modules are PvE vs PvP and are not appropriate for the desired fit, etc.), it's good enough. Telling pilots that "this fit, and ONLY this fit, is acceptable" will chase away more people than it retains.
Delete@KA Agreed. Only some of the basics need to be offered. Getting into too many details or demanding specific fits will only frustrate players who don't know much better.
DeleteYou can basically always run a full rack of miners on a battleship without any cap issues. Yes, they might use 90 cap per cycle, but that cycle is a whole minute long. You are very wrong to say that Cu-Vapor is better because of capacitor, because capacitor is not a concern.
ReplyDeleteThe fact that you know this, just goes on to prove that highsec "pvpers" are some of the biggest bears in the game. :P
DeleteAlso, this http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QXihxvBzXpA
I'm going to put the kaibosh on your one-day old newbie knowing how to fit a ship. First of all, a day-one neophyte doesn't know anything about fitting for bonuses, or similar weapons groups, or practical damage ranges. They are new, remember?
ReplyDeleteWhat's worse, is that many, many people in empire don't know crap about fitting, or know very little. Dual tanking? Absolutely. Mixed weapons (lasers/autos)? Sure, more options for damage. Mixed ranges? Oh, yeah. Totally makes sense (to them). These people didn't have the benefit of EVE Uni. They don't reply in corp chat. They don't participate in the greater game. And they aren't good at EVE. At a guess, there are at least 1,000 of them online, right now, assuming there are about 27,000 people online.
Oh, is it bad fits day? I'm up for that.
ReplyDeleteI'm a few month old quasi-noob player. I think the part of the issue is that fitting isn't really covered in the tutorials. Even the fact that ships HAVE bonuses isn't covered (unless I missed something). The way Level 1 & 2 missions work the whole mixed tank mixed guns thing seems to make sense. Rails for ships far off, blasters for stuff that gets in close. You can't repair your armor without an armor repairer and you need a booster to boost the shield. Shit for the first couple of weeks, I barely knew what all these different modules were for.
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