So, who gets tasked with writing the report? Trebor's own opinion on this seems reasonable:
It is my view that working on the production of the minutes is the price you pay for actually getting to go to Iceland, and that if you don't go, any work you do is done out of the goodness of your heart.So, who did what on this mammoth project? Three, of the seven who went to Iceland, did no work at all on the Summit Report, in any capacity, and two of those can, maybe, be forgiven due to language barrier issues.
You will note that Hans, Alek and Issler did not go to Iceland, yet all have done work on the minutes -- and Hans and Alek also attended many sessions via teleconference.
Seleene (Chairman)
No work done, though did write three mammoth blog posts on the summit, to keep the playerbase informed. These posts most closely resembled the minutes of old. So in a sense, players got their minutes exceptionally quickly due to Seleene, while the much larger report was being written, compiled and approved.
Trebor Daehdoow (Vice Chairman)
CSM Intro / Whitepaper, Stakeholder, Player Experience - Launcher, Art, EVE Economy, New Player Experience.
Two Step (Secretary)
EVE/DUST Link, Starbase Rework, Content.
Elise Randolph
Live Events, Ship Balance.
Greene Lee
No work done. Language issue, as Russian is his first language.
Kelduum Revaan
No work done, not even on his pet interests New Player Experience, Corporate Management or Crimewatch.
UAxDEATH
No work done. Language issue, as Russian is his first language.
Hans Jagerblitzen (Vice Secretary)
Corporation Management, EVE UI, Wardecs and Crimewatch, Faction Warfare, Treaties.
Meissa Anunthiel
No work done.
Dovinian
Security
Issler Dainze
Industry and Mining
Alekseyev Karrde
State of Incarna, Nullsec
Darius III
No work done.
Concerning, UAxDEATH and Greene Lee, I'll leave it up to the Russian-speaking community in EVE Online to determine if they've been good candidates, whether their communications have been adequate or not. (Greene Lee has been taking some of the CSM-related English-language posts and translating them for the Russian-language section of the forums.) So I won't make any comment on whether they've been doing enough or not as CSM elect, and especially as CSM elect who get the privilege of a trip to Iceland.
Of the English-speaking CSM members who took a trip to Iceland, only Kelduum Revaan has not contributed to the Summit Report. His reason: a busy workload.
As active as Kelduum was in the run-up to the election -- his lengthy forum posts and appearances on podcasts -- he's all but vanished since he was elected. No blog or forum posts to speak of (except to defend himself and/or his alliance). And I don't recall any podcast appearances since April. He's often logged into the game, and he is on Skype regularly, so his heavy workload hasn't effected that aspect of his EVE experience. Oddly, he was able to squeeze in a three day trip to Iceland, yet a couple hours, here and there, for a podcast interview, all but impossible.
Meissa is the oldest CSM member, but seems to prefer how the CSMs of old conducted themselves. Silence, silence, and more silence. Did not offer any assistance on the Summit Report. Has no public presence to speak of.
Darius III is a useless lump. Rarely logs into the CCP/CSM Skype server. Rarely offers up any opinion on any subject. Not sure why he ran, other than to take a seat from someone else. I'm not going to blame myself for him getting elected (I cast all my votes for Hans), but I did make a post or two about him being a worthy candidate. I feel much shame having done that. He's tricky come election time, and I now understand why The Mittani despises him.
Hans and Trebor are definitely the hardest working of the CSM elect. Looking at their Summit Report output is proof of that. Hans has even gone further, because during the report writing period he was still making long posts on the forums, appearing on podcasts, and had a 3-hour AMA (Ask Me Anything) session on Reddit. Both Hans and Trebor are passionate about EVE Online, and show it through the amount of work they do for the community.
With a few notable exceptions, this has been the hardest working CSM the players have had the fortune to representatives. Many of these people deserve to be elected next year, and a few do not.
Interesting report.
ReplyDeleteTo be fair, we have no idea how active any of the CSMs are on the internal forums or with CCP through Skype/other means of contact. I'm curious of the ones we don't hear much from in public venues are active "behind the scenes," though I suspect the answer is probably no. And it wouldn't be fair to ask a current CSM to reveal that information.
I think it's a fair assessment. The members we see being active are the ones that are active in all aspects of the CSM. The ones we never hear from, are the members who are likely inactive or only occasionally active.
DeleteI too am an ex-uni member (only DNR not departed) who cast all my votes for Hans. It was obvious that Kelduum would be a waste of a CSM position from the start. Nothing he said while campaigning was specific enough to hold him accountable and it's no surprise to me that he has vanished from the public eye.
ReplyDeleteReally happy with Dr. Jagerblitzen though and I hope next time around he can get one of the spots that goes to Iceland like he rightfully deserves.
As long as the University has three thousand sheep who would vote a mushroom if it were their CEO, Kelduum is guaranteed a CSM seat from now until the University ceases to be. He doesn't really need a platform, or to do anything of any substance, he just has to send an alliance mail saying "Vote me for me. [link to vote]."
DeleteHe's not a whole lot better than Darius III. Slightly, but not by much.
I predict that 200 pages is going to be worth less than the much shorter versions produced by CSM 6. In any committee setting developing a consensus is a much better use of time then making sure every single detailed demanded by constituents is aired. In creating a relevant CSM the first important step would be to recognize and focus on the most important issues of all the different viewpoints represented. If the minutes devolve into one huge list of all the gripes/wishes/and ideas (good or bad) that they could possibly throw on the table then it will be a complete waste of time.
ReplyDeleteRarely I find do comities get anything done. Bureaucrats however do funnily enough.
DeleteI think you have a good point here. 200 pages from less than a week of meetings is less "minutes" and more "transcription".
DeleteYeah. I'm really not sure how 200 pages is going to be an improvement. I really didn't have any issues with how the report was presented last time. Sure, you didn't know who wanted to ruin your precious wormholes (oh god). But...so what? I'm not going to read 200 pages of nonsense about a video game.
ReplyDeleteRead the sections that are of interest to you.
DeleteHeaven help us all if Trebor doesn't run next year.
ReplyDeleteSame goes for Hans.
DeleteI find it interesting that you judge a CSM members worth entirely by their contribution to the minutes....
ReplyDeleteThe minutes (twice per term) are the big project that the CSM releases to the players at large. This has always been a large group CSM project.
DeleteI find it interesting that some CSM members couldn't be bothered to help out.
I also make mention that those same CSM members that did not help, are also nearly invisible from the public eye.
People have consistently complained about the lack of information provided in previous minutes. Now people are complaining about too much information in the new minutes. Damned if you do, damned if you don't I guess. I, for one, think the total transparency (who said what about what) is a step in the right direction.
ReplyDeleteWhile i can agree with some of what you've written, i find it a bit worrying that you only seem to judge the candidates by the number of topics they've written for the minutes, and not the ammount of content each topic has, as it seem clear that not all these topics are that large, and would therefor be easier to write about. Than being said i personally think Hans and Trebor is doing an excelent job, but i don't think you give two step the credit he deserves, not even mentioning him in your thoughts.
ReplyDeleteI don't think the point was to judge people based on the number of topics they wrote, I believe this blog was more to comment on the fact that some CSM didn't even bother to try to write any of them.
DeleteYes.
DeleteThe minutes are one of the major undertakings of the CSM, which they do twice per year. I find it disrespectful for members to not do their fair share on the minutes.
For instance, Kelduum logs into the game and onto his Mumble server. Not infrequently either. If he can do that, then he had time to spend writing a section or two of the minutes, especially since he's one of the Iceland-travelling CSM members.
If you read what i wrote again i wrote that i find it worrying that you seem to judge the CSM members by the ammount of topics done, rather than the ammount of content in these topics.
DeleteKelduum will fail in both these since he has written zero topics, and therefor zero content, let's look at the quality of the topics that the CSM members have written rather than the quantity, once the minutes come out, and then do the judging, that is all i tried to say.
lol. what a coward. you didn't even post my comments. you're pathetic. i think i'm going to find a way to fuck with you now.
ReplyDeleteThis, from the guy who posts vitriol, but only anonymously. You go right ahead and try to find a way to fuck with me, crazy person.
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