I seem to have this knack of logging on, and joining fleets on especially slow days. The days I don't log into EVE, I learn about all these cool fleets that end up killing tonnes of shit. My timing, like my PvP, is bad.
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Turns out Fweddit is committed to getting in on the EVE Cash-Money Tournament. I'm going to donate a plex, if we end up getting enough donations from Fwedditors and otherwise. My choice of team name, Fweddit Now Recruiting, was quickly shot down.
A few want to go with the alliance name, I Whip My Slaves Back and Forth. I'm not convinced CCP will allow that. The optics on slavery, and such as all that, to an audience not familiar with EVE's lore. Of course, it's CCP's own damned fault for putting slavery into their backstory.
We're looking at this as a chance and an excuse to start practicing some real fleet comps and training some FCs on SiSi (or Buckingham, as the case may be.) If we get three matches in the tourney, we'll have won EVE, by our high standards.
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Friday evening, we were stupid and bored and decided to look for a fight in Huola. The home of Late Night Alliance. That's just always going to be a bad decision, because of how they fight. They'll upship and boost link the hell out of you if given the chance (and why shouldn't they, it is their home system after all.) And then pretend they were on the very edge of defeat, pulling out of an impossible situation through skill and ingenuity alone.
That's pretty much how Susan Black characterized last evening's fight. That they were greatly outnumbered, and only through force of will and determination, they were able to pull out the victory. Yes, we did get crushed. There's no denying that. But, outnumbered they were not. You'd think we had blotted out the sun with our numbers, given the hyperbole of her prose.
We had twenty in fleet. Eleven of which were battlecruisers, four cruisers, the rest destroyers and frigates. They had sixteen in fleet. They upshipped to an Armageddon, a Machariel, a Hyperion, a Scorpion Navy Issue, two Tornadoes, a Blackbird, five Drakes, and some other various smaller hulls. Not too mention their Loki boosts (which are, effectively, a 1.5x multiplier.) But, they were the ones "outnumbered", they turned defeat into victory. The miracle in space. Hallelujah.
It's hard to understand why she's unable see a situation for what it is. We took the fight though, knowing how the battle was likely to play out, so ultimately the loss is on our heads. We've only ourselves to blame. I'd like to say we had fun, but there are few people that have any fun fighting LNA.
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Eve University came by today. Usually we ignore them, but today we were a tad bored. We decided to pursue some aggression with them. It didn't happen immediately. They ran away a couple times as we landed on grid with them. Granted, they were outnumbered. I'm not going to pull a Susan Black and pretend that it was an even fight. But all credit to them for eventually taking the fight. That's something I rarely see them do when they venture down to Amarr faction warfare space.
After the fight, getting a look at some really questionable destroyer fits (afterburners over MWDs on all their ships?) These are the pro-fits they're teaching their newbies to use? Feeling pity on them, I started offering on-the-spot recruitment to anyone that wanted to learn PvP with a learning organization that does it all the time. Hell, our newbro Thrasher is more effective than any destroyer they brought. (Take heed E-Uni ship replacement director.)
I was told to eat a Bag of Dicks after my recruitment offers. Are those even available in Canada yet? (Since when are unistas allowed to speak in local? The university has come a long way in the last year.)
The fun part is that we discovered an E-Uni spy in our midst, a Fwedditor, not in fleet, but mysteriously shadowing us throughout the evening. (E-Uni really needs to teach a proper spy course, or maybe this was the result of their spy course?) We didn't kick her out of corp, though. We treasure our spies. We gave her a good ribbing in local, accused her of awoxing her E-Uni corpmates with bad intel, you know because she's grown to love us so much. Then we gave her an appropriate title, "E-Uni Spy." She's welcome to stay as long as she likes. She might even get us more E-Uni whelp fleets.
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We currently have a Fweddit Fun Drive happening this weekend. We're up to 65 kills so far, 100 to collect the entire 1B ISK purse. And then there are the matching offers. This will fill the corp hangar with tonnes of newbro rifters, thrashers and ruptures.
Really? You were in AUTOZ and saw how it was. I'm surprised you've descended to this "We don't blob, they only blob" mud-slinging rhetoric. I thought you were above that, a shame.
ReplyDeleteWhere did I mention the word blob in describing the Fweddit/LNA fight? It was 20-16. Reasonably even, until you consider hull-types and the Loki boosting. Do you honestly feel that Susan's assessment of the fight was accurate? Look at the battle report. Compare it to what Susan writes. Compare it to what I write. Then tell me, who's being disingenuous in describing the fight? If your answer to that question is not Susan Black, then I cannot help you, unfortunately.
DeleteI still like AUTOZ, and I apologize that you end up getting painted with the LNA brush because of one corporation full of asshats.
Vordak, pretty disappointing that you're getting defensive and only see this as mudslinging. Susan trolls a lot, but the fact that you're actually defending implies you believe what she wrote or are just trolling yourself, at which point i've literally run out of hands to facepalm with. Both sides do the exact same thing whenever they have the chance, the only difference is whether or not you actually drink your own side's kool-aid.
DeleteLocal smack to get a fight part of the game, so are biased battle reports, it doesn't matter who is a bigger offender, just don't get upset when you get called out on the truth.
You should take a lesson from Galdornae since apparently he's one of the few Minmatar who actually gets it.
"I can't tell you how many times I've heard on comms about how awesome we are, and how our enemies suck, only to switch to my friendlies tab and say "well of course we won, look how much shit we brought." It seems everyone in eve is so convinced on their own awesomeness that they cannot believe their victories are due to a simple out-massing of their foes. Moreover it seems there's a feeling, when "blobbing" an enemy, that somehow it "isn't the way we normally fight" or "this fight wasn't that important." Well the guy on the other end probably doesn't agree.
Do the Minmatar blob the Amarr? Oh my, yes. Do the Amarr blob the Minmatar? You betcha, by golly. The only difference is which foot the shiny Cinderella slipper happens to be on."
Suggestion. Send Vordak on vacation for a month. Put an alt into Fweddit for that month. I've played on both sides of the fence. Have you?
Delete@Pinky: I'm confused. No where in my comment did I even imply that we don't blob. I'm just amused that Poe is lowering himself to the propaganda-style troll that Susan employs. Both sides "blob". Therefore it's ridiculous to state stuff like " Late Night Alliance. That's just always going to be a bad decision, because of how they fight. They'll upship and boost link the hell out of you if given the chance (and why shouldn't they, it is their home system after all.) And then pretend they were on the very edge of defeat, pulling out of an impossible situation through skill and ingenuity alone."
ReplyDelete@Poetic: Yes, I have actually. It's the same shit on both sides. (Admittedly, I haven't been on the Amarr side at all since Inferno.)
I'm less complaining about how they want to fight in their home system, and more complaining on how Susan likes to spin their fights into something that didn't even happen.
DeleteFights with LNA are rarely "gud fites" anymore. Yesterday, for instance. Twenty of us roaming. One person suggested heading to Huola. Twelve people piped up (from both FW0RT and iLaw) with "Fuck that" exclamations.
Well, it's the exact same whenever Minmatar head to an Amarr's home system. It's nothing special, to be quite honest. I've played on all of the factions besides Caldari, it's the exact same stuff. "Goodfights" are an illusion.
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Vordak, there's a difference between lowering yourself to someone's level and calling them out on spreading bad propaganda around. Blobs got mentioned because you took Poe's post as an assertion that rather than correcting a fictitious account of a fight, you acted like he was saying that his side never blobs.
DeleteGood job with the doublethink there buddy. Admit to the accusation she uses a propaganda-troll style while also deciding the person refuting her points has dropped to using a propaganda-troll style.
Unfortunately, Vordak paid no attention to my combat report with E-Uni, where I believe I honestly stated that we outnumbered and outshipped them. I didn't chalk up the victory to anything other than numerical and hull superiority.
DeleteI believe my assessment of the LNA fight was more accurate than Susan's, by a longshot? Do I still have bias. Certainly. But I try to eliminate it as best I can.
Ok, let me rephrase what I was trying to get at: Susan says propaganda stuff that "Amarr are blob, we win, etc etc" what have you. Great, whatever, I don't care or refute that: in fact, I think that kind of demonizing of the enemy is a major factor that has contributed to the degradation of the warzone. I can remember a time when there weren't people demonizing their opponent, polluting the community with vitriol and sludge and people were having better, more even fights more often. Some of this was in part to the FCs at the time, and various other factors (#s, activity, lack of the farming problem, etc) but I think it has contributed in a negative way. I believe Susan already knows my opinion.
DeleteI was disappointed to see Poe producing more of that same stuff talking about and portraying Late Night Alliance (as a whole, not Susan in particular) as cheaters, un-gentlemanly, blobbers, or what have you. That stuff doesn't help the community; it just polarizes it which ultimately creates less good fights and more "destroy at all costs" attitudes on both sides.
You both have talked to me extensively: I'm a pretty chill guy who is interested in not only having fun with my corporation/alliance/militia but also my opponents or any one in EVE who is up for it and friendly. That attitude creates better experiences for all players in the community and is something celebrities like Poe should be promoting.
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Source: I've been around the Min/Amarr warzone (on both sides) and a bit on the Gallente side to know this is true; most old-hat veterans will agree with me.
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look at the hate!
ReplyDeleteas far as im concerned both amarr and min FW was shit. ego flying about everywhere.
Now ladies, don't fight.
ReplyDelete"It's hard to understand why she's unable see a situation for what it is"
ReplyDeleteYeah back in august guess which other blogger fweddit was saying this about
(protip: its you)
Untrue. I was quite even-handed when it came to my reporting of combat reports with Fweddit.
DeleteAbout the only thing I got wrong about Fweddit was their relationship to Test Alliance.
As Poe says, untrue. We gave him shit for being a blogger and primaried him all the time, but we never complained about his blogging itself (other than pointing out that only nerds blog). Yes, we have our sperg lord who talks shit about EVERYONE (even the CEO), but you can't (fairly) count that.
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