Tonight, Placid09 contacted me in-game. I'm including the contents of that conversation first, before the pastebin he gave me. The pastebin is dated early December. It's one of the reasons why I don't believe this to be a troll. Placid09 had contacted me previously to talk, back on December 29 2012, but I was busy at the time, and he was preparing to do his podcast. That, and Dani hadn't gone a little kookoo concerning me until after I posted my Why I Don't Listen to Podcasts post. There's no reason to concoct some elaborate troll, because I wasn't on Arydanika's shitlist on December 29 2012, which is when I would have received all this information, had I not been busy.
So, who is Placid09? He's one of the podcast hosts for the Podside. Who is Arydanika? She hosts the Voices from the Void podcast.
Arydanika [Dani] has set-up a Skype channel where "all" podcasters can get together to chat. She's been inviting (or trying to invite) CCP devs to take part in their discussions. That's basically the state of things in which the drama takes place.
Before we get to the chat logs, if any CCP employees are reading this, I would like to state strongly that any mini-community that CCP gets involved with, that mini-community should be inclusive to all members that it purports to represent. The mini-community organizer should not be excluding people based on his/her pride and prejudices (I'm getting all Jane Austen up in here.) If it's a podcast community, then all podcast hosts and creators should be included. The group should not be a reflection of one single person, especially where that person seeks power and influence with CCP. And especially where that person seeks a CSM seat in 2013. The perception of favouritism is a powerful one, and CCP should be especially mindful of it. Bear all of this in mind if you continue reading.
(It is still completely at CCP's discretion concerning what podcasts they wish to appear on. This is not the issue. Nor do I debate CCP's choice of venue for their employees.)
I'll first let my conversation with Placid09 speak for itself, and then I'll add some commentary before I post the pastebin of Placid09's conversation to Dani about this group she's organizing.
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Channel ID: -36184734
Channel Name: Private Chat (Placid09)
Listener: Poetic Stanziel
Session started: 2013.01.04 01:36:56
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[ 2013.01.04 01:37:07 ] Poetic Stanziel > o/
[ 2013.01.04 01:37:13 ] Placid09 > o/
[ 2013.01.04 01:37:26 ] Placid09 > sorry to stalk
[ 2013.01.04 01:37:35 ] Placid09 > been meaning to chat with you for quite awhile though
[ 2013.01.04 01:37:39 ] Poetic Stanziel > K.
[ 2013.01.04 01:37:41 ] Placid09 > are you free for a bit?
[ 2013.01.04 01:37:47 ] Placid09 > if not, can wait
[ 2013.01.04 01:37:57 ] Poetic Stanziel > Sure. We're just plexing Dal.
[ 2013.01.04 01:40:05 ] Placid09 > alright, let me find the pastebin quick, I actually think I'm going to have to re-bin it
[ 2013.01.04 01:40:48 ] Poetic Stanziel > Is this concerning my Test vs. Goon post?
[ 2013.01.04 01:41:43 ] Placid09 > no no
[ 2013.01.04 01:41:44 ] Placid09 > not at all
[ 2013.01.04 01:41:54 ] Placid09 > I thought that was great actually
[ 2013.01.04 01:41:55 ] Placid09 > :3
[ 2013.01.04 01:42:02 ] Placid09 > no, this concerns Dani
[ 2013.01.04 01:42:06 ] Poetic Stanziel > Ah.
[ 2013.01.04 01:42:23 ] Poetic Stanziel > I'm getting the impression she's extremely thin-skinned.
[ 2013.01.04 01:42:56 ] Placid09 > I'm going to send you a link to a pastebin, I've kept this 'mostly' private, only sending it to a few other podcasters and the rest of the producers of Podside
[ 2013.01.04 01:43:11 ] Placid09 > she created that skype channel because of you of course
[ 2013.01.04 01:43:16 ] Placid09 > this pastebin is in relation to that
[ 2013.01.04 01:43:20 ] Placid09 > it is rather long
[ 2013.01.04 01:43:27 ] Placid09 > http://pastebin.com/KjLsTSRN
[ 2013.01.04 01:44:00 ] Placid09 > how you choose to use this is up to you, but from what I can tell she's going to make a CSM run
[ 2013.01.04 01:44:52 ] Poetic Stanziel > If I were to use this ... want me to remove your name? She'll obviously know who you are ... but with respect to keeping you "private" to most others?
[ 2013.01.04 01:45:02 ] Placid09 > no
[ 2013.01.04 01:45:04 ] Placid09 > I give no shits
[ 2013.01.04 01:45:11 ] Placid09 > fuck that c**t
[ 2013.01.04 01:45:18 ] Placid09 > once you read the whole thing you will understand
[ 2013.01.04 01:45:25 ] Poetic Stanziel > K.
[ 2013.01.04 01:45:43 ] Placid09 > I've really really tried to be nice and helpful, but she is just out for herself
[ 2013.01.04 01:45:50 ] Placid09 > not out for the community like she says
[ 2013.01.04 01:45:51 ] Poetic Stanziel > So what is this room?
[ 2013.01.04 01:45:54 ] Poetic Stanziel > A Skype channel for podcast people?
[ 2013.01.04 01:46:19 ] Placid09 > the skype room is filled with all of the podcasters and she invited a bunch of CCP employees
[ 2013.01.04 01:46:46 ] Placid09 > because you gave her some gruf for having too much CCP pull
[ 2013.01.04 01:47:04 ] Placid09 > so she wanted to seem 'impartial' and give everyone equal access
[ 2013.01.04 01:47:06 ] Poetic Stanziel > I've never commented on her before in my life.
[ 2013.01.04 01:47:37 ] Poetic Stanziel > My first mention of her was when I said I preferred VandV when Seismic Stan was a co-host.
[ 2013.01.04 01:47:37 ] Placid09 > could have sworn she said she created the room because of you...
[ 2013.01.04 01:47:59 ] Poetic Stanziel > What she says and what is reality are two different things.
[ 2013.01.04 01:48:10 ] Placid09 > V&V with another host is usually better, there are reasons she has issues working with other people
[ 2013.01.04 01:48:31 ] Poetic Stanziel > I heard some rumours after Stan left.
[ 2013.01.04 01:48:33 ] Placid09 > back in 5 minutes
[ 2013.01.04 01:49:26 ] Poetic Stanziel > I try not to make comments on female EVE players (other than Susan Black), because they generally have a legion of White Knighters. Boobs bring out the white knight in people.
... I read the pastebin Placid09 linked ...
[ 2013.01.04 01:54:43 ] Poetic Stanziel > Fuck. Adolf Danika. CCP is going to get involved with this person? Mistake.
[ 2013.01.04 01:55:17 ] Poetic Stanziel > I wonder what would have happened if you said you don't listen to VandV and never intend too. You probably would have been booted. :)
[ 2013.01.04 01:57:56 ] Placid09 > sorry, was craving nicotine
[ 2013.01.04 01:58:39 ] Poetic Stanziel > That's fine. I typed stuff until you got back.
[ 2013.01.04 01:58:45 ] Placid09 > yeah I saw
[ 2013.01.04 01:59:05 ] Placid09 > she plays nice nice to the people that matter
[ 2013.01.04 01:59:21 ] Placid09 > that's why I wanted to get this out
[ 2013.01.04 01:59:28 ] Poetic Stanziel > Apparently looks that way.
[ 2013.01.04 01:59:35 ] Placid09 > and for sure is not the first person she has acted like this to
[ 2013.01.04 01:59:52 ] Poetic Stanziel > Who ever can help get her deeper into CCP, whoever can help her schmooze.
[ 2013.01.04 02:00:01 ] Placid09 > pretty much
[ 2013.01.04 02:00:14 ] Placid09 > if you want to run with it, go for it
[ 2013.01.04 02:00:24 ] Placid09 > I don't like doing the 'podcast pvp' on my show
[ 2013.01.04 02:00:45 ] Placid09 > but like I said, I really feel those logs should get out if she makes an election run
[ 2013.01.04 02:00:45 ] Poetic Stanziel > I probably will. Tonight. This is crazy and she doesn't deserve CCP accomodating her, what with her attitude.
[ 2013.01.04 02:01:35 ] Poetic Stanziel > After I post this ... you conversing with her ever again will be nil.
[ 2013.01.04 02:01:53 ] Placid09 > I'm thinking I'll probably be booted from the room tbh
[ 2013.01.04 02:02:09 ] Placid09 > a lot of what she said floored me
[ 2013.01.04 02:02:15 ] Placid09 > her 'work'
[ 2013.01.04 02:02:22 ] Placid09 > all that she 'manages'
[ 2013.01.04 02:02:45 ] Placid09 > there is an google spreadsheet linked in the header of the room that everyone just fills out there info when they join
[ 2013.01.04 02:03:11 ] Placid09 > what made her get all mad was I invited the rest of the Podside producers into the room without notifying her first
[ 2013.01.04 02:04:05 ] Placid09 > do you have any questions?
[ 2013.01.04 02:04:16 ] Placid09 > as far as that log at least?
[ 2013.01.04 02:04:59 ] Poetic Stanziel > No. It seems clear. I figured out that you'd invited your other hosts and she got pissed off.
[ 2013.01.04 02:05:18 ] Placid09 > also that I came up with the idea of bringing in the CSM
[ 2013.01.04 02:05:28 ] Placid09 > rather then her
[ 2013.01.04 02:05:38 ] Placid09 > but because it wasn't 'her' idea, she was pretty upset about it
[ 2013.01.04 02:05:41 ] Poetic Stanziel > CSM is a waste of time. And the CSM already talk with the devs.
[ 2013.01.04 02:05:52 ] Poetic Stanziel > Why would they need another "dev" channel?
[ 2013.01.04 02:06:11 ] Placid09 > it was more so other podcasters had easier access to them
[ 2013.01.04 02:06:20 ] Placid09 > because I have them on Podside quite a bit
[ 2013.01.04 02:06:34 ] Placid09 > and I thought it would be a good idea for more people to have them on, better community exposure
[ 2013.01.04 02:06:39 ] Poetic Stanziel > Heh. Those guys get too much podcast coverage for the little that they say.
[ 2013.01.04 02:06:55 ] Poetic Stanziel > But we obviously differ on that opinion.
[ 2013.01.04 02:06:58 ] Poetic Stanziel > Which is fine.
[ 2013.01.04 02:07:07 ] Placid09 > yeah, we have very different views on the CSM
[ 2013.01.04 02:07:19 ] Placid09 > opinions are opinions afterall
[ 2013.01.04 02:07:27 ] Poetic Stanziel > That's cool.
[ 2013.01.04 02:08:08 ] Poetic Stanziel > Thanks for the pastebin tho. It's good juicy drama.
[ 2013.01.04 02:08:21 ] Poetic Stanziel > She'll go ballistic when it's made public. The damage control will be epic.
[ 2013.01.04 02:08:50 ] Placid09 > pretty much
[ 2013.01.04 02:10:25 ] Poetic Stanziel > One you're kicked from her group ... start a podcast group of your own and be all-inclusive. After I post this ... I'll help get the word out on the GOOD WORK you and Podside are doing.
[ 2013.01.04 02:11:04 ] Placid09 > well Chyph3r and I started a seperate podcast site that lists ALL of the eve podcasts
[ 2013.01.04 02:11:13 ] Placid09 > not just the ones she likes
[ 2013.01.04 02:11:24 ] Placid09 > because she can't be bothered to do a little fucking work for the community
[ 2013.01.04 02:11:31 ] Poetic Stanziel > You have a link? Because I am reviewing podcasts and need a complete list.
[ 2013.01.04 02:11:36 ] Placid09 > evepodcasts.com
[ 2013.01.04 02:13:59 ] Poetic Stanziel > Anyhow ... thanks for the heads up on this. It's good stuff. And it annoys me when people like Dani try to grab power at the expense of those around her.
Now to the pastebin. I'm going to add commentary to it as you read. It's eye-opening and shocking in a number of places. So that you know what Dani's issues are here. First, Placid09 brought his four other co-hosts into the Skype podcast channel. He didn't ask Dani's permission first, because he assumed all hosts were welcome. Second, he put forward the idea that the CSM be brought into the channel, again, without running the idea by Dani first.
[12/2/2012 8:41:25 AM] Dani (Arydanika) Eden: Podside has 5 hosts?I'm not sure why it matters whether anybody from the Podside podcast listens to Voices from the Void. Is this a requirement for entry into the podcast Skype club? It makes sense that she'd want her colleagues to be familiar with her work. That I no longer listen to her podcast is what set her off with me; my mentioning in a footnote that I used to greatly enjoy her podcast back when she and Seismic Stan were hosting, but when he left I felt the quality dropped off and I stopped listening.
[12/2/2012 8:43:43 AM | Removed 2:27:19 PM] Dani (Arydanika) Eden: This message has been removed.
[12/2/2012 8:43:53 AM | Edited 10:50:16 AM] Dani (Arydanika) Eden: In the future please do not add any one without speaking to me first. It is our room however I am the one managing it and putting in 100% of the work that goes in to it.
[12/2/2012 8:44:05 AM | Edited 10:49:15 AM] Dani (Arydanika) Eden: I really appreciate your understand and respect in this project. I know it can be hard to be under the leadership of someone else.
[12/2/2012 8:44:11 AM | Removed 2:27:10 PM] Dani (Arydanika) Eden: This message has been removed.
[12/2/2012 4:14:44 PM] Placid09 EVE: you there?
[12/2/2012 4:26:08 PM] Dani (Arydanika) Eden: I am for a bit
[12/2/2012 4:28:11 PM] Placid09 EVE: just wanted to talk to you a bit
[12/2/2012 4:28:23 PM] Placid09 EVE: didn't mean to go over your head, no disrespect was meant of course
[12/2/2012 4:28:52 PM] Placid09 EVE: we had our saturday show last night and during the aftershow I was talking to them about the room and what it was about and added them, was going to tell you today
[12/2/2012 4:29:04 PM] Dani (Arydanika) Eden: They are all hosts?
[12/2/2012 4:29:12 PM | Edited 4:29:18 PM] Dani (Arydanika) Eden: Full time on every episode hosts.
[12/2/2012 4:29:31 PM] Placid09 EVE: if you had ever listened to our show you would know we have that many shows, and tbh I'm rather suprised you hadn't heard of Podside before
[12/2/2012 4:30:12 PM] Placid09 EVE: Urz and Min are there every show, Cyph3r is there as much as possible, and now that he's layed off will be on a lot more
[12/2/2012 4:31:08 PM] Placid09 EVE: we actually have another that is on every Tuesday as well, but I didn't talk to him, so didn't add him
[12/2/2012 4:31:11 PM] Dani (Arydanika) Eden: Do you listen to Voices?
[12/2/2012 4:31:17 PM] Placid09 EVE: I do, every episode
[12/2/2012 4:31:24 PM | Edited 4:31:34 PM] Dani (Arydanika) Eden: I know Chy doesn't nor Pukin.
[12/2/2012 4:31:39 PM] Placid09 EVE: I subscribe to a LOT of eve podcastsIt doesn't go both ways. It's downright rude the way she expresses it, though.
[12/2/2012 4:31:42 PM] Dani (Arydanika) Eden: And no I don't listen to Podside.
[12/2/2012 4:31:48 PM] Dani (Arydanika) Eden: And probably never will.
[12/2/2012 4:31:52 PM] Placid09 EVE: why is that?Random personalities, such as those personalities that host podcasts, which is supposed to be what the Skype channel is for. Or even random personalities that have already had devs on their podcasts. Arydanika, in this case, gets to decide who CCP will talk with and who they will not. She's going to control the conversation. If she doesn't like you, you're out. Classy. Democratic, too.
[12/2/2012 4:31:57 PM] Dani (Arydanika) Eden: However, It important that this room stay managable.
[12/2/2012 4:32:18 PM] Dani (Arydanika) Eden: The more "random personalities" that CCP is unaware of are in the room, the less likely they will join.
[12/2/2012 4:32:30 PM] Dani (Arydanika) Eden: They were suppose to have been in here a few days after open.What is the Skype channel trying to accomplish? Other than to give Arydanika a pipeline into CCP, thus more exposure for herself, which will make her CSM8 campaign all that much easier. Again, CCP should be distancing itself from this sort of self-serving gerrymandering; she's trying to cherry-pick the podcast group that will be of most benefit to her.
[12/2/2012 4:32:58 PM] Dani (Arydanika) Eden: Devs are really skittish due to NDAs, possibly telling something they shouldn't, rumors spreading, etc.
[12/2/2012 4:33:05 PM] Placid09 EVE: random personalities, despite the fact that we've had CCP on as well on Podside...
[12/2/2012 4:33:18 PM] Dani (Arydanika) Eden: The room growing too quickly can be detremental to what it's trying to accompish.
[12/2/2012 4:33:25 PM] Placid09 EVE: fact is Devs shouldn't be saying anything that is NDA, but it doesn't mean they can't join in and chat with usYeah, wow.
[12/2/2012 4:33:40 PM] Dani (Arydanika) Eden: If you don't like the way I run things you are more than welcome to leave
[12/2/2012 4:33:42 PM] Placid09 EVE: that was what the group was about as far as I knew
[12/2/2012 4:33:43 PM] Dani (Arydanika) Eden: However,
[12/2/2012 4:33:47 PM] Dani (Arydanika) Eden: You were invited.
[12/2/2012 4:33:51 PM] Dani (Arydanika) Eden: You are a guest.
[12/2/2012 4:33:54 PM] Dani (Arydanika) Eden: Remember that
[12/2/2012 4:33:56 PM] Placid09 EVE: wow
[12/2/2012 4:34:24 PM] Placid09 EVE: ok, I'm not trying to get into 'podcast pvp' with you, I'm just discussing thisTo be clear, the project is Get Dani Elected to CSM8. This part of the discussion seems to be about bringing the CSM into the project. Of course, since Dani wants to be on CSM8, bringing her competitors into the channel would very much defeat the purpose of the channel.
[12/2/2012 4:34:52 PM] Dani (Arydanika) Eden: You don't have to agree with me. I don't expect you to, but the room has to remain in control and I'm not going to let you or anyone else detail what the room is trying to accomplish.
[12/2/2012 4:34:59 PM] Placid09 EVE: do I have permission to speak frank without having to worry about you booting myself or the rest of the cast?
[12/2/2012 4:35:13 PM] Dani (Arydanika) Eden: I just want to make sure we are on the same page and very clear about the future of this project.
[12/2/2012 4:35:30 PM] Dani (Arydanika) Eden: Are we clear?
[12/2/2012 4:35:44 PM] Placid09 EVE: can I ask you a question Dani without you taking it the wrong wayAre we clear on the future of the project? Except, I'm not going to explain the future of the project, because SPAIS!!
[12/2/2012 4:35:52 PM] Dani (Arydanika) Eden: After you answer if we are clear or not.
[12/2/2012 4:35:57 PM] Dani (Arydanika) Eden: You can ask me whatever you like.
[12/2/2012 4:36:00 PM] Placid09 EVE: I'm trying to work with you, I think it's a great project, I think I've shown that
[12/2/2012 4:36:21 PM] Dani (Arydanika) Eden: But I need to make sure there are no miscommunications.
[12/2/2012 4:36:26 PM] Placid09 EVE: I am clear, this is your project afterall, and I will do whatever I can to help you make it better
[12/2/2012 4:36:39 PM] Dani (Arydanika) Eden: Are we clear?
[12/2/2012 4:36:42 PM] Dani (Arydanika) Eden: Yes or no?
[12/2/2012 4:36:51 PM] Dani (Arydanika) Eden: That's all I need right now.
[12/2/2012 4:36:56 PM] Placid09 EVE: if that even goes to the point of removing the podside staff because of whatever miscomunication you believe there is
[12/2/2012 4:37:04 PM] Placid09 EVE: but I still have questions for you
[12/2/2012 4:37:55 PM] Placid09 EVE: maybe we should talk about this at a later time, you seem upset about something, I mean no ill will to this room or to the project
[12/2/2012 4:38:07 PM] Dani (Arydanika) Eden: I'm not upset about anything.
[12/2/2012 4:38:15 PM] Placid09 EVE: if you want me to back off on bringing ideas or even mentioning new people that should join I will
[12/2/2012 4:38:16 PM] Dani (Arydanika) Eden: I'm actually doing laundry waiting for a yes or no response.
[12/2/2012 4:38:25 PM] Dani (Arydanika) Eden: If you need to wait to let me know yes or no, I'm happy do that.
[12/2/2012 4:38:30 PM] Placid09 EVE: yes or no on what?
[12/2/2012 4:38:58 PM] Placid09 EVE: that if I don't like the way you run things I can leave?
[12/2/2012 4:39:05 PM] Placid09 EVE: yes I'm clear on that
[12/2/2012 4:39:21 PM] Placid09 EVE: that being said, I would rather work WITH you for the betterment of it
[12/2/2012 4:39:28 PM] Placid09 EVE: as I have stated many times now
[12/2/2012 4:39:31 PM | Edited 4:39:38 PM] Dani (Arydanika) Eden: On "Are we clear?" I'd like a simply yes or no as I have started several times already.
[12/2/2012 4:39:53 PM] Placid09 EVE: are we clear on what Dani, I'm not going to give you a yes on are we clear when there is no clear on what
[12/2/2012 4:40:06 PM] Dani (Arydanika) Eden: Alright. Well how about this?
[12/2/2012 4:40:26 PM] Dani (Arydanika) Eden: You can review the logs and when you're ready to answer my question we can certainly continue.
[12/2/2012 4:40:47 PM] Dani (Arydanika) Eden: I"ll be around until 10pm CST off an no. I have a Tourney to prep for, so once that's starts I'll be off grid until it's over.
[12/2/2012 4:40:53 PM] Dani (Arydanika) Eden: I look forawrd to speaking with you again Placid.
[12/2/2012 4:41:00 PM] Dani (Arydanika) Eden: I hope we can settle this soon.
[12/2/2012 4:41:07 PM] Placid09 EVE: that we are on the same page for the future of this project, so what is the future of this project
[12/2/2012 4:42:15 PM] Placid09 EVE: tbh Dani this feels like some middle management miscommunication when it doesn't have to be, I don't know why you are all defensive about it, if I over stepped my bounds just tell me.
[12/2/2012 4:42:46 PM] Placid09 EVE: does this go back to the NAON show where you think Pukin is a rascist?
[12/2/2012 4:43:39 PM] Placid09 EVE: these are the things I wonder, if you've been able to move on past misunderstandings
[12/2/2012 4:44:57 PM] Placid09 EVE: you run the EVE Pod pack, which should be about helping the community, I suppose it's possible you didn't know about Podside, though I highly doubt it, and the fact is we've never talked bad about Voices, I still greatly enjoy your show, and I think whatever 'grudge' still exists is bad for the community as a whole
[12/2/2012 4:46:02 PM] Placid09 EVE: we don't and shouldn't just be doing these podcasts for fun, especially the high profile ones we run, you have CCP and other high profile guests on a lot, same as Podside, and at that point it should become about helping the community
[12/2/2012 4:47:01 PM] Placid09 EVE: there, I've asked my questions and said my piece, once you let me know what the future of this project is, let me know and I'll agree to be on the same page, because then I'll know
[12/2/2012 4:47:21 PM] Placid09 EVE: and if you want help with it, I'm here to help, no ill will
[12/2/2012 4:48:51 PM] Placid09 EVE: and if you feel that some people should be removed from the podside cast from the room, let me know
[12/2/2012 4:50:07 PM] Placid09 EVE: also, just to warn you, Mean Harri appears to be starting a podcast with a m8 of his, but I know there is a 3 episode limit, figured I would tell you, also Zion Chad, who is Podsides Dust representive will be starting a Dust podcast after christmas when he gets a new computer
[12/2/2012 5:07:58 PM] Dani (Arydanika) Eden: I see a lot of textr, but I still yes or no. As soon as I get that answer we can crtainly continue.
[12/2/2012 5:08:45 PM] Dani (Arydanika) Eden: It's clear that your response to my questions doesn't mean much to do, but it means something to me.
[12/2/2012 5:08:46 PM] Placid09 EVE: what is the future of the project
[12/2/2012 5:08:54 PM] Dani (Arydanika) Eden: It's continuation.
[12/2/2012 5:09:18 PM] Dani (Arydanika) Eden: Anything other than that I am keeping on a need to know basis.
[12/2/2012 5:09:44 PM] Dani (Arydanika) Eden: And specially it's continuation with those currently present in the room and those who may join later.You won't actually give him the respect of telling him what the question is.
[12/2/2012 5:09:53 PM] Dani (Arydanika) Eden: So yes
[12/2/2012 5:09:55 PM] Dani (Arydanika) Eden: or no.
[12/2/2012 5:10:19 PM] Placid09 EVE: so you won't even show me the respect of reading what I typed?
[12/2/2012 5:10:35 PM] Dani (Arydanika) Eden: You won't give me the respect of answering a question I typed multiplue tims before that.
[12/2/2012 5:10:48 PM] Placid09 EVE: because the question doesn't give any context DaniThis is like dealing with a three year-old.
[12/2/2012 5:11:16 PM] Placid09 EVE: I've already said this is your project, that you lead it, that I don't want to compromise it
[12/2/2012 5:11:20 PM] Dani (Arydanika) Eden: It does. It has a lot of context. Andright now your reaction and interaction is telling a lot more than a yes or no could. Which is why I asked it.
[12/2/2012 5:11:40 PM] Placid09 EVE: so if I say yes will you read what I typed?
[12/2/2012 5:11:58 PM] Dani (Arydanika) Eden: You continue to ask me questions when you haven't answered mine.
[12/2/2012 5:12:03 PM] Placid09 EVE: yesHuh? He was asking for clarification, which you refused to give.
[12/2/2012 5:12:07 PM] Placid09 EVE: yes I agree Dani
[12/2/2012 5:12:21 PM] Placid09 EVE: I agree to whatever terms and conditions you have for your skype channel
[12/2/2012 5:12:22 PM] Dani (Arydanika) Eden: You do rellize how that does not fit in to what you're saying.
[12/2/2012 5:12:39 PM] Placid09 EVE: I want the best for the community
[12/2/2012 5:12:43 PM] Placid09 EVE: that's all
[12/2/2012 5:12:48 PM] Placid09 EVE: I never meant to start a fight
[12/2/2012 5:13:32 PM] Placid09 EVE: as I stated earlier, I'm sorry I brought people in without asking you first, if you listened to Podside or gave us the time of day you would know we do have many regular hosts
[12/2/2012 5:13:37 PM] Dani (Arydanika) Eden: Now for you benefit, I will let you know I read your statments prior to even reasking. That is the level of coutresy I gave you without your relizing it though you continued to be discourteous and disrespectful.
[12/2/2012 5:13:39 PM] Dani (Arydanika) Eden: Know that.Bear in mind, that Dani has a webpage devoted to EVE Online podcasts, but she only lists podcasts she deems worthy. Placid09, on the other hand, has a similar page and includes all podcasts without prejudice.
[12/2/2012 5:14:12 PM] Dani (Arydanika) Eden: But that does not mean I will ever allow you to push me to your will as you tried. This is not a dynamic I will tolerate.
[12/2/2012 5:14:25 PM] Placid09 EVE: how did I try to push you to my will?
[12/2/2012 5:14:42 PM] Placid09 EVE: I asked a few questions, I've stated I want the best, and I've stated this is your project and if you want us to leave we will
[12/2/2012 5:15:05 PM] Dani (Arydanika) Eden: Now whatever your pre-dispositions maybe betwen Pukin and I, that's between us. It does not consern you nor Podside. That's how I deal with it and that's how I would hope people on S8 are dealing with it.
[12/2/2012 5:15:37 PM] Placid09 EVE: the thing is that if you are still upset with Pukin and take it out on Podside, it does effect me
[12/2/2012 5:16:12 PM] Dani (Arydanika) Eden: As for not talking about Podside on voices. I don't talk about a lot of podcasts and really that's not something that's wise to measure. Starfleet Comms became really entrenched with that and it turned out badly for them.
[12/2/2012 5:16:53 PM] Dani (Arydanika) Eden: Well you need to check what ever "the thing" is because it's probably broken. I know that can see like that easy answer but really I just don't care that much.
[12/2/2012 5:16:58 PM] Placid09 EVE: I'm not asking for you to talk about podside, I'm asking for you as the eve pod pack leader to be willing to entertain ALL podcasts
[12/2/2012 5:17:28 PM] Placid09 EVE: as in, be willing to listen to them personally
[12/2/2012 5:17:33 PM] Dani (Arydanika) Eden: Pukin is a dude over the internet I met once and will never meet again. Though Eve and other games I've met tons of people. He, you, just one of thousands and more if I attend Fanfest.
[12/2/2012 5:17:35 PM] Placid09 EVE: not having to promote them on your cast
[12/2/2012 5:17:41 PM] Placid09 EVE: just listen to them, check them out, see if you like them
[12/2/2012 5:18:01 PM] Dani (Arydanika) Eden: No, I don't have to listen to all of the podcasts.
[12/2/2012 5:18:09 PM | Edited 5:18:19 PM] Dani (Arydanika) Eden: I provide a metafeed not a review service.
[12/2/2012 5:18:27 PM] Placid09 EVE: but as the pod pack host, you would think you would at least give them a listen
[12/2/2012 5:18:54 PM] Placid09 EVE: it seems ass backwards to have that title and ignore podcasts
[12/2/2012 5:19:08 PM] Dani (Arydanika) Eden: You would think a lot of things. A lot of things are wrong.I'm not even sure if I should comment on her kindness of my heart statement. This entire endeavour is so self-serving. Kindness and hearts don't even enter the equation.
[12/2/2012 5:19:15 PM] Dani (Arydanika) Eden: I have a personal life, family, friends, etc.
[12/2/2012 5:19:30 PM] Placid09 EVE: you listen to podcasts at work I thought Dani?
[12/2/2012 5:19:34 PM] Dani (Arydanika) Eden: Contray to popular belief I do things outside of Eve like work, go to movies, have interests.
[12/2/2012 5:20:01 PM] Placid09 EVE: and beyond that, I'm not saying you need to listen to EVERY episode, but your refusing to listen to ANY episode
[12/2/2012 5:20:09 PM] Dani (Arydanika) Eden: I do. I like to Keith and the Girl, Aiesha Tyler's podcast, a couple of other gaming podcasts.
[12/2/2012 5:20:38 PM] Dani (Arydanika) Eden: My life and what I enjoy does not center around eve by any means. I'm not obligated to anything. I do something nice. That's it.
[12/2/2012 5:21:17 PM] Dani (Arydanika) Eden: I do something nice. Not something that obligates me. Not something that requires additional activites. I do something out of the kindness of my heart because someone else let it fall to peices.
[12/2/2012 5:21:28 PM] Dani (Arydanika) Eden: I've already done more than enough.Because he didn't want to answer a blind question with a yes or no, he's displeasurable.
[12/2/2012 5:21:45 PM] Placid09 EVE: then we'll have to agree to disagree
[12/2/2012 5:22:07 PM] Placid09 EVE: either way, that was just a few questions I had and you've answered them
[12/2/2012 5:22:40 PM] Dani (Arydanika) Eden: Then we have.
[12/2/2012 5:22:53 PM] Placid09 EVE: as far as the skype group, I won't add anyone, it's your group, I don't know neccesarily what kind of 'management' it requires other then the google doc, but as I said, if you need help, I'm still more then willing to
[12/2/2012 5:23:17 PM] Dani (Arydanika) Eden: If you want to dedicate all of your time to people who question you, give you a hard time and are absolutly ungrateful; more power to you.
[12/2/2012 5:23:28 PM] Dani (Arydanika) Eden: I pray you don't run in to the same people/obstacles I did.
[12/2/2012 5:23:46 PM] Placid09 EVE: being as I'm assuming your directing that comment at me, how have I been ungrateful?
[12/2/2012 5:24:21 PM] Placid09 EVE: and what we've found on Podside is delegating tasks to more then one person helps take the burden off
[12/2/2012 5:24:31 PM] Placid09 EVE: so you can enjoy that life and family more
[12/2/2012 5:24:48 PM] Placid09 EVE: and when stuff comes up in RL there are people to take the load without the community suffering
[12/2/2012 5:24:56 PM] Placid09 EVE: just my two cents
[12/2/2012 5:25:55 PM] Placid09 EVE: I dunno, maybe you were a bit shocked with how many active podcasts and podcasters there were
[12/2/2012 5:26:10 PM] Placid09 EVE: there's actually an Australian one that's quite good too
[12/2/2012 5:29:45 PM] Dani (Arydanika) Eden: The way you've behaved in the room the entire time.
[12/2/2012 5:30:07 PM] Dani (Arydanika) Eden: You've been increadiable displeasureable to interact with and are the one person that makes me regret doing this.
[12/2/2012 5:30:19 PM] Dani (Arydanika) Eden: No one else. Just you.
[12/2/2012 5:30:23 PM] Placid09 EVE: excuse me? how so?It's always someone else's fault in these situations. Blame is always transferable.
[12/2/2012 5:30:24 PM] Dani (Arydanika) Eden: ot even Pukin who I apparently hate.
[12/2/2012 5:30:56 PM] Dani (Arydanika) Eden: You always have something negative to say. You always want to instigate with me. The let's bring in the CSm thing was just combative the way you approched me.
[12/2/2012 5:31:19 PM] Placid09 EVE: wat... I was not trying to be combative at all...
[12/2/2012 5:31:27 PM] Dani (Arydanika) Eden: You've just been displeasureable. So as of the moment if I have any resentment for Podside it's your doing.
[12/2/2012 5:31:33 PM] Dani (Arydanika) Eden: And that may be the case but you have been
[12/2/2012 5:31:45 PM] Placid09 EVE: we happen to have the CSM's on quite a bit and I thought it would be a good idea if podcasters had easier access
[12/2/2012 5:31:48 PM] Dani (Arydanika) Eden: Like why in the hell did we need to take 30 minutes for a yes or no answer. That's just being an ass and posturing
[12/2/2012 5:31:53 PM] Dani (Arydanika) Eden: It's raelly is.
[12/2/2012 5:32:00 PM] Dani (Arydanika) Eden: And I'm sad.
[12/2/2012 5:32:07 PM] Dani (Arydanika) Eden: I also don't want to deal with this shit.
[12/2/2012 5:32:31 PM] Dani (Arydanika) Eden: I want to do run so I am. Cut the shit please. I don't want to be your enemy. It's way to much effort and I don't care to use my effor for that.
[12/2/2012 5:32:46 PM] Dani (Arydanika) Eden: Just be chill, don't over step and just... enjoy.
[12/2/2012 5:33:21 PM] Placid09 EVE: wow, you think I'm like trying to bullshit and be your enemy but this entire time I've been apprective and have loved the room and have tried to help and think of new ways to make it better
[12/2/2012 5:33:28 PM] Placid09 EVE: and think of other podcasters
[12/2/2012 5:33:47 PM] Dani (Arydanika) Eden: The way you act does not that say that even if it is your intention or desire.
[12/2/2012 5:34:06 PM] Dani (Arydanika) Eden: So just keep that in mind in the future and we'll be fine.
[12/2/2012 5:34:12 PM] Dani (Arydanika) Eden: I'm otu though. Things to do.
[12/2/2012 5:34:22 PM] Placid09 EVE: and the reason I took so long to say yes Dani is because I just didn't understand the question, my personality is to not give a yes or no answer an answer unless I actually understand the question
Feel free to bag on me for posting this. It needs to be out there. And CCP needs to be aware of the exclusive community they are getting involved with.
Poe for CSM
ReplyDeleteNot unless certain elements of the CSM White Paper change.
DeleteAnd those would be? (...in the interest of transparency)
DeleteThe requirement that the entire community know our actual identities. I think it's good enough that CCP know our identities, and that's it. There are some real whack jobs in this community, and I'd prefer that myself (and family) do not start receiving exceptionally rude, middle-of-the-night phonecalls.
Deletefunny that hasnt stopped anyone else from having the balls to step up and put their neck out there and take a risk, you could also just try not being a dick. i mean how many times must you get blocked or forum banned before you realize you have zero social ability? the only other csm member fearing for their lives was mittens, who was also a big dick.
DeleteIt's game. Serving a gaming community shouldn't involve risk.
Deleteso far there's been zero cases where serving the gaming community has resulted in crazies showing up at ones house when the "victim" wasn't being a dick
Deleteother csm members dont seem to see this as a risky decision cause they arent going out of their way to piss people off and have no reason to fear retribution for being a good csm representative
Mr. Anon... (how ironic...) you are wrong. There are many people who don't even consider running because of this fact alone. Those who do run either don't care, don't see it as a personal risk or don't understand the risks. The risk is still there regardless.
DeleteBut, please continue to enjoy your Anonymous postings hypocrite.
"so far there's been zero cases where serving the gaming community has resulted in crazies showing up at ones house when the "victim" wasn't being a dick"
DeleteWhere did I say the risk involved murder or kidnapping or break & entering or fisticuffs?
The risk is harassment. Anonymous, long distance harassment into my real life.
Complain and harass me all you want on my character Twitter feed, or in-game, or via my blog comments ... but I'd prefer that sort of thing stay well away from my real life. I can manage it in the meta-game, I cannot manage it out of game.
so who on the csm in the past has been harassed, in real life, besides the mittani??
Deletelol @ rundle busting out the age-old ad hominem "post with your main" crap.
Anonymous we're dealing with a world class sperglord here. He could probably find enough votes to get elected to the CSM but there would be people who would piss about with his details.
DeleteThe Mittani received numerous harassing phone calls due to the way running for the CSM tied his RL identity to his in-game identity.
DeleteWhy should people have to expose themselves to Real Life harassment (which is a crime) in order to serve the community? Why should CCP be facilitating that crime by insisting that the RL identities of CSM members be made public?
There are a number of people I think that wouldn't want to run for CSM for this very reason, and I hope it is changed in the whitepaper revamp for this very reason. If one good thing comes out of Mittens FanFest show, it should be that real life can be effected by EVE.
Delete" And CCP needs to be aware of the community they are getting involved with."
ReplyDeleteWhile I can appreciate this being put out there I have no dog in this fight. I am a new member of the podcasting community as well as in the Skype channel being spoken about here. I want it known that I, nor Shunners and Sinners podcast has any ill intentions, motives, etc... to try and gain an upper hand with CCP for any thing, rhyme, or reason.
We are simply a couple of goof balls doing a podcast. And if you, Poe, listen to ours, you won't like it. But we don't do it for the "like" factor. We do it for us. -just a heads up ")
Once announcing that we had a new Eve podcast we were invited in to the Skype channel for podcasters. We saw it and use it as a source of learning and information from those who have come before us to learn from and try and better our product. It's an honor actually, to be invited in with successful colleagues who have paved the road.
We at Shunners and Sinners are the punkers of podcasting. We are who we are, do what we do, and won't sell out the "the man" and conform to what people want us to be. Nor do we consider ourselves elite in any way. We are we and do what we do. Period. If one doesn't like, one can 'f' off.
It's too bad this is heading down the path it seems to be. But whatever. We aren't shoving our noses up CCP's ass for anything. Hence, carry on.
After reading the logs, I don't think anyone, other than Ari, is trying to use the Skype club to get on the inside with CCP.
DeleteI don't know a helluva lot about Dani, but what little I've heard about and do know, this all fits with a personality of built-up self-importance.
I understand. This is all breaking news to me. Better than TM.com and EN24.
DeleteThanks for letting me state our position.
As I recall, Dani created this channel because a certain blogger criticized her for already having the inside track with CCP because she had a dev on her show and how it wasn't fair to the rest of the community. Dani's syndication feed existed a long time before this channel and it was working just fine; she's not obligated to run some kind of podcast census, podcast review, or run a podcast channel.
DeleteBut make a channel she did to try to bring the podcast community together with CCP. She marketed the idea to CCP as a way to engage with the podcasting community in a managed way. She put her name behind it. If someone you didn't authorize started posting or inviting other people to write posts for http://poeticstanziel.blogspot.com I dont think you'd appreciate it either.
Sometimes people disagree, and they're usually not behaving their best when they do. But to drudge up an over one month old argument between Ary and another podcast host to restart your "Arydanika is trying to get in with CCP" line, tie in with a CSM8 election conspiracy, try make Placid + Dani look like as childish as possible, and try to cause trouble in the podcasting community you've clearly and repeatedly stated an agenda against is ambitious in its reprehensibility.
I've been sitting in the channel for a while. There's no politiking going on that I've noticed, either between the hosts or the hosts and CCP/CSM (you dont need to go through all the trouble to make a podcast channel to talk to those people if you have them on Skype anyway). There was no open warfare between Placid/podside and Arydanika or anyone else during the first week of December or since. It's like, the most non threatening thing you can possibly imagine.
I usually just make fun of you when you say something I dont respect, but I think you've taken the character assassination thing too far. You owe an apology to Arydanika, CCP, the podcasting community, and tbh to Placid09 and Podside for facilitating such a petty idea.
And some people seem to think that blogger is me.
DeleteI would certainly love a reference to this comment of mine, if it's popular opinion that I am in fact the blogger.
I've never mentioned Dani in a blogpost pre-January 01 2013.
I think it's great that devs appear on podcasts.
Why should I apologize to Placid09? He gave me the pastebin and told me to do as I wished with it. You obviously didn't read much of the post. Placid09 specifically wanted this to be public.
Delete"After reading the logs, I don't think anyone, other than Ari, is trying to use the Skype club to get on the inside with CCP.
DeleteI don't know a helluva lot about Dani, but what little I've heard about and do know, this all fits with a personality of built-up self-importance."
so basically you don't know much about her yet you feel you know enough to write a hit piece about her evil political ambitions, and don't feel the need to include any evidence of said political ambition (cause who cares about those details). Am I right?
What evidence are you basing this off of other than Placid's testimony?
I don't know if she ever planned on running for CSM to be honest, but it had seemed to ME that she was going to, from twitter posts over the last few weeks and the show she did with Alek on DoW.
Delete[ 2013.01.04 01:43:59 ] Placid09 > how you choose to use this is up to you, but from what I can tell she's going to make a CSM run
That is key. I think there are still a lot of people possibly up in the air about their intention to run. I know a lot of her history beyond this chat log from other people in the community that I obviously can't release, but I felt people needed to know how she treats those around her beyond her 'public face.'
We are selective about the players we converse with for good reason. We may not be able to choose who is elected to the CSM, but we certainly get to choose who we speak with outside of work and CSM meetings. Given the choice of conversing with an unrestricted channel or a smaller more down to earth group, we're going to choose the smaller more down to earth group.
ReplyDeleteWe do have lives outside of work, and we're not all paid to be (or skilled as) community representatives, so if its on our dime and our free time, we have the right to minimize the risk of drama mongers who would willingly smear copypasta all over the web. You may not feel we should allowed to be selective or discreet, but the risk of entanglement in melodramatic and unnecessary drama like this post is attempting to create remains one of the strongest reasons we are reluctant to deal with the unfiltered public to begin with.
You're already involved, exactly because of who you've chosen to get involved with.
DeleteIt's not unnecessary drama, because the community you're communicating with is not representative of the podcast community, but representative of Arydanika alone.
Get involved with an autocrat, expect some fallout.
I wasn't speaking about Arydanika's channel. In fact, I don't know of any developer that has actually joined this channel. (There is no fallout in this case because none of us were involved.)
DeleteIrregardless, it is clear that you do not take every single player's opinion seriously, and you recently wrote about the fact you certainly do not listen to every player's voice either. I'm not sure why exactly you think we are somehow obligated to listen to every bad idea or expose ourselves to every emotionally volatile community member.
This really shouldn't be that hard to understand, but your flippant use of the term "autocrat" (which has little to do with the CSM in anything resembling its current form) indicates strongly that you have found a new source of entertainment and are more interested in the story here than in actually helping to improve communications between players and ourselves.
Seems to be some miscommunication here.
DeleteMy autocrat comment was in reference to Arydanika, and her chokehold on the so-called podcast group. Arydanika is not CSM.
As for the CSM. I do not refer to them as autocrats. They are a democratically elected organization. I don't have to be impressed with individual members, but I do recognize their right to serve on the council.
I never said that CCP has to listen and include the entire playerbase in everything they do. But if a group meant to represent podcasters, such as Dani's, is trying to involve CCP, then CCP should be sure that all podcasters are represented, and not simply the podcasters Dani feels are worthy of representation.
You seem to be missing that important point, and assuming that I'm talking about the entire playerbase as a whole.
That's great if CCP has not involved itself with Dani's group. Wise move. But on the off-chance that you had, then it would have been an ill-considered decision.
And you're missing my point. We absolutely do NOT have to be involved with EVERY podcaster, just to talk to SOME podcasters. Those are YOUR ground rules for participation (all or nothing, even within a smaller EVE sub-group), but not ours. We can talk to one podcaster, or 25 of them. We can appear on three shows of our choice, or we can appear on none. The criteria will always be whether the individuals involved have a level head and are seeking constructive dialogue (and of course whether we have fun). We always reserve the right to not talk to jerks, and could care less whether you see that as being biased.
DeleteThe very fact that the situation escalated to this point, where we're rehashing drama and not discussing the game we both love, demonstrates that there were individuals involved in the channel that weren't satisfied by the opportunity to perhaps talk with us, and decided to force us into a situation so uncomfortable we're now certain to not participate.
TL,DR: Expect us to talk to those we don't want to and risk crap like this, and you simply won't hear us talk much at all outside of our official paid responsibilities. Conversation is a privilege between any two human beings, one which can be revoked at any time due to lack of respect, discretion, or usefulness.
Fair enough, Monsieur Ourse.
DeleteBut, when getting involved with a mini-community, would CCP prefer to dictate who is in the communication channel? Or would you prefer a player to dictate who gets to communicate with you, based solely on their own prejudices and agenda?
I can't speak for everyone individually, but its certainly not an either/or. Players can't really "dictate" anything, in the end. You're giving them way too much credit by fearing their power as censors. If we want someone in a conversation, we'll ask. I've never been denied an audience personally. And if we don't want to put up with someone or the tone of a group, we leave.
DeleteIs there a reason you're ignoring the simple fact that the individual Dani was most cautious around ended up being the one to go and cause a major public scene? This I find most telling.
And if Dani hadn't been a complete termagant (yeah, I'm digging into thesaurus.com for this one), then there'd be no drama. Dictators tend to spawn rebels
DeleteYou can certainly continue to try to demonize any attempt at player screening, but this blog post *continues to stand as proof that such screening was a wise decision in the first place*. Placing the blame for any drama solely on the group moderator is a convenient way of trying to pretend that two other individuals (yourself and your "informant") involved somehow lacked basic free will and shouldn't bear responsibility for the part you've played in this.
DeleteIt's sad whenever these things happen because we really do want to have more focused conversations with everyone, but these incidents are just such a drain and a waste of time and never worth the risk.
Then by my posting this, CCP dodged a bullet. The "drama" would have still been there, if I'd not posted the pastebin, and you would have (likely) been unaware of it.
DeleteA community member moderating other community members on our behalf is no cause for drama. We pay for such a service on our public forums. We welcome it being volunteered for semi-regular off-hours communications, where our own participation remains completely at our own discretion. We're smart enough to tell when foul play and bias is afoot, we're EVE players too and well familiar with the meta. Try to play us, we'll walk away.
DeletePlayers publicly calling each other out and publicly dragging names through the mud was an unnecessary escalation of a perfectly normal situation.
EVE Online forum moderators have rules and guidelines to follow. It's not a free-for-all, where they get to decide who can post and who doesn't based on personal prejudices.
DeleteIn Dani's case, she was motivated by her own desire to have a closer relationship with CCP, and chose strictly based on that. Who she eventually chose might have been reasonable in the end, but I don't believe it was her call to make. Nor do I think she gets to make the rules in this situation.
Well, I will give you some credit for at least admitting that this all just -your- opinion on how we should engage the community, though you still intentionally refuse to use language that would imply that her ambition is anything other than objective fact. (If it were objective fact, you would have included plenty of evidence of her intentions to run instead of none at all other than your informant's hearsay.)
Delete"Is there a reason you're ignoring the simple fact that the individual Dani was most cautious around ended up being the one to go and cause a major public scene? This I find most telling."
DeleteReally... Really?! That's all you got out of this? You didn't take away that this Dani is, frankly, batshit? Her behavior is the only thing that would make a major public scene- if this were a civilized conversation without a sycophant on one end this wouldn't even be noteworthy. Instead its got her going ballistic over nothing, and thus it IS noteworthy. And what's even more noteworthy is that you don't see anything wrong with her behavior but DO see something wrong with exposing her gross behavior.
She was attempting to screen participants in a channel to keep the tone mellow such that CCP employess might be willing to participate. Turns out, Placid couldn't handle the need for a bit of discretion, and ironically became the exact type of petty, butt-hurt ragequeen that a light screening was attempting to keep out in the first place. In the end, Placid's rush to the tabloid press to create drama in record time only further explains why Dani was being cautious to begin with. Hopefully she (and others) will be even MORE careful in the future to avoid inviting those that dont understand this and care more about their pride being hurt than about enjoying a channel with developers.
DeleteHardly a rush. This all occurred December 02 2012. Just before CCP gave birth to Retribution. Unless by "record time" you meant four and a half weeks.
DeleteDani's alleged interest in a CSM run came long after this conversation with Placid. It wasn't even her idea. Unless you have evidence that she was thinking of a CSM bid prior to Dec. 02 .....
Delete" became the exact type of petty, butt-hurt ragequeen that a light screening was attempting to keep out in the first place."
Delete...One has to wonder how difficult it is to read the screen with a helmet on.
To be clear, the only enemy here is herself and her own shit behavior. If she weren't a sycophant there would be nothing to expose and no damage that could be done by associating with her. The fault is not that of those revealing how much of a shitlord she is but is fully HER OWN.
Clearly you think it'd be better to only have complacent yes-people that would accept such horrifying behavior from another human being without at all balking at being treated like human garbage. And frankly, that makes you a pretty damned disgusting person.
To the CCP employee that is replying, I agree with you. It took a long time for me to decide to release these logs. I know releasing private logs is a break of trust, and I hurt myself and broke a lot of peoples trust, not just Dani's, in the process, but it had to be done in my opinion.
DeleteCCP Manifest was the ONLY CCP rep in the channel, and it was mostly confirmed that it was going to stay that way. Ned is a great guy, but the channel was billed as conduit between the devs and the podcasters. I can talk to CCP Manifest on Twitter, or on Skype in private, without having to deal with an authoritative figure that won't show me respect.
As far as the screening, none of that was explained to us upon entry. We were told it was 'our' room. I know that doesn't mean it was run by all of us, it was run by her, but I assumed it was an open and free room. My mistake there I guess. I brought in my co-hosts of Podside after a show, with the intent to inform Dani as soon as I saw her online. That is what lead to that chatlog.
Podside is unique in the fact that we have 2 shows a week with different hosts for the shows, so yes, we have a lot of hosts.
If it had been explained from the get go that everyone must be screened at first, there would have been no issue. She could have even put it in that header of hers, but she didn't. It's not as if I was the only person that had this issue, there was multiple people that brought in other podcasters without consulting her first. None of them were scolded, just told the rule.
I was of course kicked from the room after this blog, which is fine tbh, I was expecting it. I feel sorry for the community the most, as no matter what people may think, or may take from this blog post, I just want the community to grow.
so much for NEU-POETIC*
ReplyDelete*now with less sperg
It's an actual conversation between Arydanika and Placid09. Hardly sperg. Now, if I'd made it all up. That would be sperg, plus some.
DeleteGive me a break. No one is buying that you're not smart enough to know the difference between a factual convo dump, and this story you've woven of dictatorial authority, CSM ambition, and CCP favoritism.
DeleteThe convo was real (and probably very prudent to have). This "injustice" is not. Sperg is sperg.
Not CCP favouritism. Arydanika favouritism. CCP would have been unaware that she was only allowing into the channel people she deemed worthy.
Deletehas it occured to you that perhaps ccp might have asked her to only allow people into the channel she deemed worthy? youre the one with the problem about her selectivity not any of the devs. thats on them to decide
Deleteyou keep talking down to them like you know better who they should talk to and that they need to play by your fair chance set of rules for conversation participation
CCP did ask her to vouch everyone, I can confirm this, after finding out more information after the fact. The more you know.
DeleteI don't see the connection "this project == Dani for CSM8". If you see it, you need to argue it better.
ReplyDeleteThere's no explicit connection. It's a stepping stone in that direction, though.
Deletethe CSM were the first to suggest it in a recent appearance on her radio show, which was after the winter summit. channel was open long before that and Dani never once mentioned it before that point.
DeleteThem logs didn't seem that bad to me to be honest. She was trying to lay down ground rules and was rather cross. Not her best day but hardly the Nuremberg rally either. Compared to the forum porn people post on Kugu it's incredibly mild.
ReplyDeleteAppreciate the entertainment though, I'm gonna pilot a freighter full of popcorn down from Jita and set up a concession on your blog.
It's kinda a bizarre that she kept demanding a yes/no answer on a question she wouldn't even elaborate on. He didn't even really know what the question was.
DeleteThe question was: "Will you be my bitch?" Duh.
DeleteI'm offended that you would bring gender into this with 'bitch'. ;)
DeleteShe was obviously asking if Placid understood not to just invite people to the channel without asking. And if Placid understood that Devs specifically like to limit their exposure and that anyone organizing a group for devs to visit with would require moderation and selectivity. This was not an open forum, and would lose its value (direct CCP involvement) if it became as such. She said this countless times, Placid acted baffled that this was even something that was necessary at all. But she made it crystal clear, no matter how many times he acted imposed upon.
DeleteI feel that dani was right to be cautious but wrong to be rude.
DeleteShe has a slim chance of joining the csm now unless she somehow convinces everyone that wasnt her or something, but she should explain clearly her intentions for the group and send out an apology to pucid for being rude.
@ Poetic It's not bizzarre it's just angry. People lose their tempers all the time in this game.
Delete@Anon CSM voting generally is on fame. Not integrity, not looks, and certainly not manifesto. If you're well known people vote for you.
Also drama such as this really helps a candidate. If 75% of people think she's a terrible harridan after reading this post and 25% of people think she's being picked on and discriminated against that really helps her get votes (most candidates are voted for by less than 1% of the player base).
@Anon The fact that she couldn't simply restate the question to me despite the fact that I asked for clarification numerous times is what upset me. She never said it countless times, I don't know where you get that from, would you care to reply with the logs?
Delete@Other Anon & Stabs - She is a GOON and will be elected if they push her in no matter what. I simply wanted people to know the type of person she was behind the public face, and to hopefully show that respect showed is respect earned.
Dani will NOT be the Goon candidate. She might run, but she will not be who the Goons are giving their votes to.
DeleteAs for the QUESTION. She asked the question at 8:30AM while Placid was not online (look at the first 10-12 timestamps of the pastebin). Placid came online 8 hours later. Obviously he did not see the question she wanted answered. She was just being a bitch not clarifying the question to Placid when he asked.
I doubt Dani will have any trouble getting elected to CSM8 if Alex allows her to run. So giving that aspect of this any emphasis seems foolish. I also think it's unwise to bring her gender into this with 'termagant'. Otherwise, very good read and worth bringing to people's attention (assuming it's true, and it certainly has the ring of truth.)
ReplyDelete"In the past the word could be applied to any person or thing personified, not just a woman."
DeleteHI POE I'M SUPER ANGRY THAT YOU INSINUATED THAT A PERSON WITH BREASTS AND A VAGINA [from birth] IS CAPABLE OF SUCH EVIL THINGS.
ReplyDeleteYOU'RE A BAD PERSON AND SHOULD RELEASE YOUR PERSONAL DETAILS SO I CAN BITCH AT YOU ANONYMOUSLY FROM MY BEDROOM
*rabble rabble*
Uh, this is very dumb, even for you Poe. There is exactly 1 CCPer in said channel, CCP Manifest, who is responsible for CCP's social media marketing.
ReplyDeleteUp until this crap, the channel was mostly full of people asking for help setting up podcast sites and random EVE chatter. It certainly wasn't some sort of secret podcast-CCP communication channel.
What advice do you generally offer to new people trying to setup their first podcast?
DeleteHuh? I am not a podcaster, you should join the Skype channel and ask in there!
DeleteThat was probably anon's point.
DeleteConfirming Tinfoil
DeleteWell, did "Anon" ask to join the channel?
DeleteDani's supposed CSM run was something that Hans and I **INVENTED** when we were on her radio show. For idiots like you to take that and then invent a whole conspiracy theory around it is frankly insane.
I think Anon's point, because you seem to be slow on the uptake TS, why do CSMers need to be on the podcast channel, when you're characterizing it as only a place where podcasters support each other and a place where newbie casters can get help.
DeleteWhat value are you adding? Oh right, the presence of the CSM is making Dani look good.
"Oh poor baby. Poetic is such a bad man." Never mind that the log is what she actually wrote. That this is how she relates to people she feels are beneath her. That she's a sycophant and a panderer.
Per the log and your own tweets, CSM being a part of the channel was Placid's idea which Arydanika agreed to do. For a podcast help channel it does not make sense at all, but it appears Dani was at least attempting to meet some of Placid's demands.
DeleteCalling your own snitch out on their garbage e'er day.
It wasn't one of my demands to have the CSM in the room, it was simply an idea brought into the channel. We have(had) the CSM on Podside quite frequently and I thought more access to OTHER podcasters would help get THEIR message out to the people so there wasn't such a perception that the CSM is a bunch of shut ins. That and they make great content for empty episodes IMO.
DeleteThe channel as far as I was concerned wasn't a help channel at all, it was just where podcasters got together and shot the shit, being as you had to ALREADY BE a podcaster to be in the channel.
It seems to me that if you really don't like Dani, you should be doing everything possible to convince her to run for CSM and get her elected. She gets a year of misery, and you get a year of being able to call her an idiot.
ReplyDeleteWhy else do you think that CSM members are always trying to get their favorite bloggers to run? It's because misery loves company.
BTW, I'll be voting for you if you run again!
Delete:)
Does appear to be a bit of control freakery going on. Not sure why podside don't set up their own chat room for podcasters, bloggers etc. they are less elitist already.
ReplyDeleteRegardless of her good or bad intentions the way she comes across in those logs is pretty terrible. Placid tries to be reasonable, polite and to accommodate her in whatever way he can but she just spits in his face.
ReplyDeleteI don't know if this points towards any evil conspiracy of hers but if this is how she normaly acts towards others I certainly hope that she doesn't get in to the CSM.
Now we only need Hans to make a fool of himself in here and my day will be complete.
ReplyDeleteBut, but, but......Dani wont let me in.
ReplyDeleteAnon said; "What advice do you generally offer to new people trying to setup their first podcast?"
ReplyDeleteSetting up a podcast is easy. If I and my fellow show host can figure it out, get an episode posted, and form an official Eve podcast, anyone can.
The banner atop the room says Welcome to the Eve Online Pod Pack. That indicates to me that there is already an official podcast about Eve born and active.
Advise; Do it. Just go for it. And Audacity tutorials. Go!
Rogue goon power grab spotted.
ReplyDeleteI had dinner while reading the entire post and logs while certainly getting entertained reading this post. I could of certainly used popcorn.
ReplyDeleteCertainly Allot of Drama in those logs, and somehow I feel this isn't over yet. Might need more popcorn ahead.
I have to say her(Arydanika) podcast list is inclusive. A podcast such at PODSIDE, she claims shes never heard of but yet its been discussed many times in that same Skype channel that she has set up. I'm sorry we do two podcasts a week have CSM, CCP, bloggers, and podcasters on it. Also we tweet about it in #eveonline and #tweetfleet in which a lot of our hosts are a part of. It There is no freaking way she didnt know about it.
ReplyDeleteNo she(Arydanika) hasn't officially been invited to the show, mainly for her hatred of Frfrmpukin. Thats a whole other story.
End of the story Arydanika does not like Frfrmpukin and PODSIDE will never be on her list. To be honest we don't want to because of her bias.
Have a great day!
Bit rich accusing Dani of bias after Pukin made front page of the Mittani.com with his No Boobies corp admission rule.
DeleteHave some more tinfoil mate.
ReplyDeletehttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-eWopfEJq48
ReplyDeleteMan I have a lot of podcasts to catch up on. Has anybody asked Dani to add Podside to the pdocasts list?
A person can make and enlist folks to any damn channel they like. From Tubbys Clubhouse (no grils aloud) to Grace Belgravia. Who cares?
A person can also run for CSM, or not . . . I think this is a carmine trout in this conversation.
Eyestrain from reading fine print pastedump making me cranky.
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If you just ignore every other part of this story and focus only on the tone of the conversation danni just comes across as rude and petulent.
ReplyDeleteIf you listen to her podcast you hear hints of it all the time, not listening to what people are saying just waiting for a chance to talk, its a shame really because when she had co hosts she seemed so much nicer.
Overall my opinion (for what its worth) of her has sunk allot, that being said one conversation on what may have been a bad day or something does not mean she's always a bitch
Dani knows of us and she used to be part of S8 in a way that she used to do live broadcasts under here own channel hosted by S8. Dani tuned into the middle of a Podside show while I was in the middle of one of my rants and didn't hear everything I had said. She got upset and took somethings out of context. She went and instantly labeled me as a racist, a nazi and a sexist. She demand that her name no longer be related to S8 and anything related to S8. Fine, that was done.
ReplyDeleteHowever, due to that, she has also refused to list PODSIDE or S8 on the Podpack that she controls. Somehow, she has become the self-proclaimed official controller of "who is who" in the EVEONLINE podcast community. Sorry, but I don't acknowledge this so proclaimed Queen of the Podcast community. I don't care who she thinks should be on the list on not.
We have welcomed anyone and everyone on PODSIDE hosted by S8 that is a podcaster, blogger or videocaster that wants to talk about EVONLINE. On our Tuesday shows and Saturday shows we refuse to have any type of PODCAST PVP. We don't snipe our put down anybody's shows, blogs or videocasts. We are here to talk about the game. Dani has never been approached to be on the show, and we haven't denied her either. However, I believe that an appearance of her on the show, it would somehow turn into some sort of PODCAST PVP which we don't tolerate.
My official statement here in the end, is that I DON'T CARE. I don't care what Dani thinks about S8, Podside or even me. I believe there has been some type of miscommunication and things have been taken out of context which has caused her to have the view and stance that she has. I am not the only hoster/caster that has had these conflicts with her. There has been several others with similar experiences with Dani.
The ball has always been in her court if she wanted to come on Podside and participate because she a contributor to the media content of the EVEONLINE community.
not that I've actually had time to listen to any pod-casts for the past several months, but I have now removed V&V from my feed. Fuck that. She needs to get her head out of her ass and actually pay attention to whats happening around her. She def wont be getting my vote if she does run for CSM8
ReplyDeleteAdolf Danika is currently the last person I'd cast a CSM ballot for. A second term for Kelduum would be preferable - and I think that says volumes, eh?
ReplyDeleteWELL WELL POE
ReplyDeleteAren't we feeling a bit disingenuous today.
I, like Aleks, also remember you vocalizing your problems with Dani and the Skype channel; the only thing is (and to your credit you are technically telling the truth when you say you've never BLOGGED about it), you did it in the form of TWEETS, which you promptly DELETED AFTER stirring up the shit pot.
These tweets date back to November 19th. They stem from a conversation that had nothing to do with you (Fozzie's comments re: a needed correction within DoW), yet somehow needed your commentary on how the Podcast/CCP playing-field isn't level for everyone. And while YOUR tweets are no longer there (clearly), the rest of the conversation still is.
https://twitter.com/schertt/status/270645370365833217
https://twitter.com/schertt/status/270646094957006848
(Aleks' comment at the bottom is in reference to those deleted tweets until he realized a copy was sent to his email).
So Poe, to say that you've never said Dani's name before, well, that's about as honest as saying you've never blogged about it. Don't white knight to your readers that you went into that conversation with no biases etc. cause they deserve much better than to hear that load. Everyone went into that conversation defensive and bitter; the only difference is that Dani had a reason to be so.
Oh and by the way, when CCP sees drama like this stemming from the Podcast/Blog community, it's 100x more detrimental to that relationship than any of the bullshit talked about in any of those pastebins. If people are more than happy to dump personal conversations onto pastebin under the guise of "enlightening the community", you can pretty much assume that CCP won't want to interact with anyone.
I honestly have no recollection of this tweet conversation. (And Twitter is acting up right now, so cannot go back to that date to jog my memory with other relevant tweets.)
DeleteI do not see Arydanika's name in any of the conversations you link. As far as I can tell, I still haven't talked about her, and have been truthful. The conversations you link have no context. I have no idea what's being talked about. I'll ask Xander if he remembers that conversation, since he makes a direct reply to something I said.
Thanks for the heads up, tho. Though I'm still quite confused over what it is you're getting at.
What I see here tho, are two friends of Dani, very much out for some revenge. Rather than focus on the real problem, Dani's two-sided personality, you're doing everything you can to place blame elsewhere.
I'm not the bad guy here. I simply facilitated the release of the chat log. The only two people you need to be concerned with are Placid09 and Arydanika.
If you're a true friend to Dani, you might want to be honest with her. Place anybody else's name in place of Dani's in that conversation. Are you still defensive of that conversation? Or are you only letting her behaviour pass because a) she's a girl, and b) she's your friend?
Friendship requires honesty. Why don't you do that for her?
Hang on, let's pump the brakes on a couple misconceptions here.
DeleteYou could consider Dani to be my friend, sure; as much as two podcast appearances and a handful of casual twitter/in-game interactions can make us "friends". So to imply that I'm going 'up to bat' for her blindly simply because she's my "friend" couldn't be farther from the truth. She's a fellow member of the podcast community, sure, but to imply that she's beyond reproach because of that fact isn't something either Aleks or I implied.
Actually, my final paragraph wasn't directed towards you specifically, but rather everyone involved. Both Placid and Dani seemed to go into that conversation with a defensive stance and things clearly got heated. While I can understand that people don't connect the dots in thinking that Dani might be held responsible for the content/quality/member list of HER channel, I think it's completely understandable why she would get defensive of people going over her head. Doesn't excuse how the situation was handled but that damage is already done and it's hard to point fingers when everyone falls short.
Yes, even you Poe. I like your blog, I really do; it's one of the few I read fairly regularly. But the posting of private chat logs was tasteless, and it honestly doesn't matter who else you replace Dani's name with. Doing what you did under the guise of showing the community something seems more like a chance to speak up against someone that you've had negative interactions with in the past, because let's face it: it was comments like yours regarding the fairness of the CCP/podcast playing field (maybe this tweet makes a little more sense when you think about a blogger complaining that podcasters aren't on an equal playing field https://twitter.com/schertt/status/270649313296793601) that motivated her to make that channel in the first place. And then to release this trash, claiming you have 'no recollections' of your prior bias or negative interactions with the very subject of your story? Implying that you're some kind of impartial 'town crier' in all this, happily lending your blog over to educate the masses?
That's when I step up to the plate for someone, regardless if they're my "friend" or not, because that is a load. And you know what Poe? If the situation had been reversed, and you had been put up on the chopping block like you did Dani, you can bet your ass I'd be going to bat for you too.
Case in point: my girlfriend, who has absolutely no grounding or background in EVE/its meta (other than myself) read this post and subsequent comments. "Seems like everyone's a little shady about taking some blame," she says. Noooooo shit.
I've rarely had any interactions with Dani. Mostly on Twitter. Usually of a friendly manner. I've never had any personal issues with her.
DeleteThe conversation you speak about. Seriously, I do not recall it. If I had a serious issue with a podcaster-only Skype channel, I would have wrote a blog post about it. The first time I heard about this channel was when Placid09 messaged me.
Sure, I think the way Dani was running it stinks. But since you stated that she had yet to set it up when this Twitter convo happened (or had just set it up), why would I (or anyone) have assumed it wouldn't have been open to all podcaster producers?
Anyhow ... I've nothing against Dani. She's obviously overly controlling and thin-skinned, but that's not reason enough for me to go after someone.
I posted the log because I felt it was important to show people how this "super friendly" person behaves in private with people.