The following quote was Kelduum's campaign promise during his CSM7 campaign:
If elected to the CSM, I will represent every player of EVE, from industrialists and mission runners all the way to nullsec and wormhole players and everything in between, not a single special interest group.Marc Scaurus, of Goonswarm, recently characterized Kelduum's term in the following way:
CCP have made a good start with Crucible and are moving in the right direction. There is much that can still be improved - from balancing and iterating recently introduced features to replacing long-stagnant mechanics which have been broken for years. I pledge to focus my efforts on ensuring CCP continue down this path, and grow EVE to new levels without sacrificing current players.
The E-Uni CEO – you know, the one guy who should probably be gunning for more and better New Player Experience revamps – is a fucking nonentity according to every bit of info I’ve picked up from the CSM this term. Literally disappeared. Not even Kaiser Soze disappeared. [Kelduum] just flat out stuck a feather in his cap labelled ‘CSM Member’ and called it a day.That's just one man's opinion, of course. I happen to agree with the assessment. You may not. That's fine. I'd like to learn the why.
I'm wondering. For those of you that did vote Kelduum, do you feel you wasted a vote? Or do you feel you received value from your vote? If Kelduum were to run for CSM8, would you vote for him again? Why?
Although I'm using Kelduum as an example, feel free to comment on anyone you cast a vote for last year.
I voted for Hans Jagerblitzen. Do I feel I wasted a vote? No. I think he kept CCP's eyes focused on faction warfare. If it wasn't for Hans, CCP might have left faction warfare in its Inferno state (with a few modifications only).
ReplyDeleteWould I vote for Hans again? No. I don't think he offers anything to the playerbase other than faction warfare. And lowsec will be pretty much off the table come the 2013 expansions. So, Hans expertise will be wasted on CSM8. We will need other candidates with expertise in the areas CCP will be on during 2013.
More or less this.
DeleteWell I think I gave one vote to Darius III, which was a complete waste, but that is largely my view of the CSM as a entity. Can't really remember where my other two went.
ReplyDeleteI spent all my votes on two Step. Did I wasted my vote ? I don't think, he was present the whole year. However until I know the content of the next expansion, and if there's things about POS and industry UI (and what), which is why I voted for him - while currently being a nullsec resident - I dunno what I'll do next time.
ReplyDeleteThe time before I voted for Seleene and Trebor, I'm still wondering if the first one was a good choice, and the 2nd won't run for CSM8 from what I heard.
voting for Hans next time while I don't care that much about low sec (and even Rixx Javix said it was not anymore a terrible zone), doesn't feel like the logical choice.
Maybe I'll go for some new nullsec faces.
Things should be a bit clearer about who was a good choice in a few days, after reading some 128 pages of summit minutes.
I think you're being a little short-sighted about not worrying about a FW/lowsec candidate. No, we likely won't be getting any fixes to those areas next year, but we definitely want someone who is intimately familiar with them on the CSM to make sure changes not directly related don't adversely affect them. A null or high sec candidate may think a CCP proposed change is fantastic without realizing that it would break something fundamental to the survival of FW players. I'll be voting for the best available candidate that represents FW and lowsec regardless of what is planned for next year. Just my .02 ISK.
ReplyDeleteI used all my votes on Hans. I think he's done an awesome job. If he runs for CSM 8 I'd vote for him again. As a FW player for 4 years, I am going to want to keep a voice in my area of the game on the CSM aren't I!
ReplyDelete"I am going to want to keep a voice in my area of the game on the CSM aren't I!"
DeleteCCP is only going to touch FW if something is obviously broken. And nothing is broken. Things could be improved, but our last shots at any improvements come with the Retribution point releases. And then the FW story is pretty much over.
So, to have someone representing FW on the CSM is really taking a seat away from someone else with expertise in an area CCP will be working on.
First, I see what you are saying but I still think I'd be better off with someone who knows about FW on the CSM than without. As has been mentioned, be good to have someone who could look at the plans and point out any issues that might not be obvious that could effect FW.
DeleteSecond, Hans is also a pirate and a low-sec dweller. A voice for all those players too we usual miss in null-bloc heavy CSM's.
Thirdly. From my own opinion, Hans appears to have been one of the hardest working members of the CSM7 which ties in with the subject of this blog post. I think he deserves a seat on CSM 8.
He's not much of a pirate or a lowsec player. A concern that happened with Retribution, some type of site being removed, affected lowsec pirates quite a bit. This went noticed by the players and unnoticed by Hans (until it was brought to his attention ... and then, nobody knows if he even made an issue of it.)
DeleteThere are more capable people who can deal directly to lowsec issues. Hans' time is done. He really has nothing to offer. If he misses key lowsec issues, does it really matter if he works hard?
It's worth bearing in mind that even if a change isn't focused on a certain part of the game, it can still impact on it and thus be worth representation. For example if we assume next year will be about the POS revamp, different types of player use POSes in different ways and it's important that those playstyles are represented when deciding how POSes will work - a WH dweller will have different preferences to a nullsec sov holder to a lowsec industrialist and so on.
Delete"If he misses key lowsec issues, does it really matter if he works hard?"
DeleteReally?? Nice way to condemn one of the few hardworking members because he missed one issue. It would have been better had he been absentee? This one statement reveals your blog as a sensationalist, useless pile of troll crap.
But it was a really obvious issue to anyone that lives the pirate lifestyle. If he can't catch the obvious pirate issues, then can he really call himself a candidate for pirate issues?
Delete@Azual True. To a degree. I should have explained myself further (which I do in my latest post) ... but I don't think Hans' knowledge base extends much outside of FW and booster manufacturing. Lowsec would be served better by someone with a broader set of skills and knowledge. You perhaps.
DeleteI burned all my votes on Blake over at @K162Space. Unfortunately, he did next to nothing to campaign beyond show up on a podcast or two. We were hoping to have a tool Dev in the csm to push on CREST.
DeleteI don't follow much of the day to day with csm. A lot of the chairs agree filled by voting blocks, and I have yet to have a candidate I voted for make it to the council.
I can't catch what CCP chooses not to share with the CSM before they just go ahead and do it. :-P The CSM was never consulted on this till it hit Tranquility, and just about everyone in the company heard me gripe about it all summit long.
DeleteA vote for Kelduum was not wasted. A vote for Meissa or Darius III was totally wasted. Some other folks were not as active as I would have liked, but Kelduum wasn't one of them.
ReplyDeleteOf course. Imagine what could be accomplished with 14 Kelduums on the council.
Deletehello two step,
ReplyDeletethat's the first i've heard from a CSM member about Kelduum's "performance".
Any reason the CSM members aren't usually very willing to talk about each others contributions to the whole?
Probably because they have to work with them.
DeleteImagine writing a letter to your intra-corporate newsletter about how you feel your coworkers perform their job.
I used all my votes on Mittens, so pretty sure Jagermeister wasted my votes. Welp.
ReplyDeleteI cast one vote for Kelduum and one for Hans.
ReplyDeleteHans has been prolific on CSM7 and I believe has given the greatest return for the those that trusted him with their votes. I have noticed a somewhat more cynical style in his replies to EvE-O posters of late. If he can drop, or at least tone down, the latter and produce a policy document of the same quality as last year, then he'll retain my vote.
Kelduum certainly hasn't been the most public of CSM7 members - he may very well have made significant behind the scenes/NDA contributions during his term of office, but this is obviously very hard for the electorate to ascertain.
Overall though, I'll base my voting judgements on what the candidates have to say, their previous record (be it on the CSM, on the forums or in game) and who I believe will serve the entire playerbase best.