Some people, such as Ripard Teg, discuss the importance of their being continuity between CSMs. This equates to representatives from a previous CSM being re-elected to the next CSM.
The only significant member of CSM7 that has decided to run for CSM8 is Trebor Daehdoow.
I ask, is this continuity really necessary? And if continuity is necessary, is Trebor the person to carry that torch? I've listened to the interview he just conducted with the estimable Xander Phoena, and I'd have to say no.
Let's talk about the continuity issue. It is well-known that there is a Skype channel for alumni CSM members. This channel exists for the exact reason to supply continuity between CSMs. If CSM8 wants information on, let's say, the stakeholder process, and where CSM7 left the process, they can simply query CSM7 members via this Skype channel. Which exists expressly for this purpose. There's no reason at all for Trebor to run on a continuity platform, because the mechanism to supply this continuity already exists. His platform is disingenuous. He suggests that if he isn't elected then continuity is lost. Which is a whole lot of bullshit.
His main reason for running? He feels that he's the only one that can further the stakeholder process. I'm pretty sure there will be capable enough people, elected for the first time, who can further that process without Trebor's assistance. He also would like the chairman's seat, because only he in the chairman's seat can ensure a smooth transition between CSM7 and CSM8. (Ignore that it's a position he's always coveted.)
He's also the dude who believes that if you vote for a candidate and that candidate is not elected, then that's a wasted vote. His ideas on voting reform are strange and indecipherable. His first suggestion was to disenfranchise large voting blocs such as Test Alliance and Goonswarm Federation. For some reason he feels that candidates who get hardly any votes, because they aren't desirable enough to attract votes, that they should somehow be given a better shot of making it onto the CSM. Strange, to say the least. He also states in his Xander interview that he has no regrets putting forth his anti-bloc voting reforms.
He's the guy who suggests that the wardec system should be consensual only. He suggests (with a knowing giggle) that CCP has run the numbers and supports his position. He feels there's nothing wrong with a much safer highsec if it retains more players, because that means more money, which means more development into other areas of the game, even if that means destroying one of the core concepts of EVE Online -- that one is never safe. He seems to support an ever-safe concept for highsec, simply because it would mean higher highsec player retention.
This guy is a slippery eel. These are positions he's never stood for in the past. He leaned this way somewhat during his CSM7 campaign, not all in his CSM5 and CSM6 campaigns. Yet, as it's become more difficult for him to find votes, he's shifted his views more towards that area of the electorate (the super carebears) who can get him elected. Granted, he's not backtracking once elected and not supporting their viewpoint, some credit to him for only being an eel and not a snake.
I hope to hell that Goonswarm and Test Alliance make sure that Trebor is nowhere on the ranked voting roll that they'll be giving to their members pre-election. The only way to decrease this dude's chances of getting onto the CSM, where he can continue with his damaging ideas, is for the blocs to not give him a single vote on the council.
I know I've said it's important to have varied voices on the council. But there's also going to far with that concept. Someone who would have no issue turning highsec into a PvP-free zone has no place on a council upon which he can voice that stupidity.
(And before a million comments come in. James 315 is not the opposite of Trebor. James does not suggest that highsec be turned into lowsec. He simply argues that highsec has become too safe.)
A CLEAN SLATE for CSM8. It rhymes. Does he really deserve a fourth term? Let's give somebody else a turn at the plate. Just say no to Trebor. Let's put the old goat out to pasture.
(And two days before the election, everyone set your CSPA charges to 1M ISK. So that his inevitable mass evemail costs him a bunch of money.)
Friday, February 22, 2013
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There's no way in hell Trebor ends up anywhere near a CFC ranked list, especially not after he tried to fuck them over with his voting proposal (the same one he kept pushing in the winter summit, btw). The fact that he'd even have the brass to run again after the antagonistic shit he's pulled this past year is disgusting enough.
ReplyDeleteSince I wrote on my blog that continuity via Trebor was important, and in the few hours since his Jita Park thread has been up, EVERY ONE of the CSM 7 workhorses (Seleene, Hans, Two Step, Aleks and Elise) and two of Trebor's current opponents (Ripard Teg & Malcanis) have come out with clear endorsements of Trebor despite the fact that none of them have anything to gain by doing so.
ReplyDeleteSeleene:"While there will be some quality candidates running for CSM 8, everyone should save at least one of their votes to ensure Trebor is able to continue carrying the torch."
Hans: "Trebor will provide the much-needed continuity between the work we've accomplished this year and that which CSM8 will accomplish, especially with regards to the Stakeholder project, which absolutely must continue for the sake of preserving the voice of every player."
Two Step: "Not having him on CSM8 would be a terrible thing for the community, and I fully support him."
Elise: "I do not say this lightly: a CSM without Trebor would be at a massive disadvantage."
Aleks: "I think it's incredibly important that there be some continuity between CSM7 and CSM8"
I too think some of Trebor's positions are unpalatable. And as you know, he will certainly be no higher than #7 (behind the 5 wormholers and Ripard Teg) on my list if all current candidates make the pre-election 28 (granted, that's also unlikely). But his heavy lifting and experience are undeniable.
I don't like Trebor, but I completely agree with his position on censusual wardecs in highsc IF the numbers support it.
ReplyDeleteIf one of the core concepts of eve is putting a hard cap on how much money CCP can earn, limiting the number of players they bring in to the game and ultimately impacting the long term health of the game then the core concept needs to change.
If. That is a big If. But ultimately it is a business decision and CCP would be fools to continue doing something that the numbers suggest is impacting the viability of the business.
The investors do not care about eve being real, or whether you can shoot up hour old carebears in high security space. They care about subscriptions and revenue and return on investment.
The problem with these positions are that they may be distastful, and it may be popular to crow that highsec is too easy as it is and its too much reward and not enough reward - but if the numbers back them up then the positions are objectively correct, irrespective of whether you like them or not.
This is 100% hysterical nerdrage. "Everyone loves Trebor, so I'mma gonna piss all over him to be EDGY and badass"
ReplyDeleteGrow up Poetic. When you've put the years of hard work into this game that he has, you can have your fucking feather too.
Trebor is working hard to make EvE Online a worst game. So no thanks, EvE would be much better without that piece of trash in CSM.
Deleteripard is out of touch with the players his eve news and blogs proves this time and time again ... trebor +1
ReplyDeletethat's kind of a silly comment, since Ripard and Trebor have supported each other. And it's an anonymous rip, shame for your cowardice.
Delete-Bantara
If anything, the idea, the current CSM can run away and expect Trebor to carry everything, might be a mean idea as well.
ReplyDeleteIf the continuation is so important, why just try to give it to one person, and they don't deal with it or help at all as well.
It does sound like the current CSM is open to talk to the CSM candidates and give them help. But them pining their hopes on one man, in the face of so much seems foolhardy to me.
"Let's put the old goat out to pasture." That is... strong! for the lack of other word. What happen between you two?
ReplyDeleteNothing. I just think he has terrible ideas and should not run again.
DeleteI'd drink a beer with him if we ever met. I don't have nothing against him beyond his tenure as a CSM representative.
Hmm, chill.
ReplyDeleteStop adding on the drama just to spice up the blog. We do notice when people go for the controversy on purpose.
He did say those things. He does have terrible ideas.
DeleteIf one of the core concepts of eve is putting a hard cap on how much money CCP can earn... then the core concept needs to change.
ReplyDeleteFalse. It may be that (a) the "core concept" of "dark and difficult" limits the #players and thus $$, but also that (b) CCP cannot change to "soft and cuddly" without losing all of its players.
You assume there is unlimited upside; that CCP can make a themepark "soft and cuddly" EVE that everyone will want to play. This is doubtful.
Not liking Trebor's positions is fine, but the idea that a voluntary participation Skype channel can provide as much continuity as a full-time CSM member is unrealistic.
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